Deported to Jamaica before Windrush report

No point trying to be caring and rational on here Greymar. There are a few Gransnet members with a social conscience but they are few and far between.

It is wrong to conflate the Windrush situation that of convicted criminals. The windrush generation had not commited and been sentensed to time in prison.

Boris has my full support in deporting foreign born people who commit crimes, are convicted and serve prison sentenses in UK. I don't care about race or colour just the criminal conviction.

I also hope they don't let back any terrorist who went to join Isis, whether it be Shamima Begum of Bangladesh origin or J'hadi John who is white and has duel nationality.

I wish we could have referendum on corporal punisment for convicted murderers and terrorist, I really do.

Trisher and your post of Friday 18.47.

Trisher I am not disagreeing with you but I am asking what full and complete information have you got with solid proof
that the person who has been here for 41 years who served a prison sentence took part in restorative justice, was rehabilitated and is still being deported.
Is that person a foreign national? perhaps Jamaican. If they have been here for 41 years then that certainly gives them enough time to sort out there U.K. status. It is a fact of law set in stone that foreign nationals have to have applied and succeeded in getting Right To Remain/Right of Stay this all being done through Home Office and the courts. It is not a lie to fob people off it is the law of the U.K.

The laws for Jamaicans to come into the U.K. all changed some years ago because at that time "Gangs of Yardies" who could legally enter the U.K were coming here and setting up
huge amounts of drug smuggling violence etc, (do you remember all that) so all the laws about the Jamaican people having complete freedom to come here changed. In fact the Jamaican Yardies are the ones that have themselves to thank
for losing all free movement of the people in and out of Jamaica so I will not be up in arms saying all this deportation must stop as some of the problems have been brought upon themselves. A good friend of mine had a daughter who became pregnant to one of the Yardies and he was in prison in U.K. and he kicked up a fuss that he should be allowed to stay in the U.K. as his girlfriend had given birth to his daughter, he stayed for awhile and started dealing drugs again so he was deported, nobody is allowed to do just want they want in the U.K. and not pay the price for breaking the law.

JenniferEccles all of these men. have not served long prison sentences, although the government has claimed this. It simply isn't true. Just google 'men deported to Jamaica' and newspaper reports about many different men will come up. One has been here for 41 years, served a prison sentence took part in restorative justice, was rehabilitated and is still being deported. Another served 2 months. Many of the crimes are historic and the men have been living honest family lives for years. Even if you think it is right and just that criminals should be deported the way this is being done, and the lies the government is telling should concern you, because if they are successful in selling this action to the public they will already have other actions planned.

varian you haven't answered my question - would you still be condemning the deportations.

By the way, I don't condemn the deportations. I am concerned by some of the rhetoric and that people are being lumped together.

The thing that I do not understand is that to have got married and registered his children he would have had to shown official ID.

Our newborn GC has just been registered and both parents had to take their passports to show to the registrar.

Or if their husband who had lived here since he was a young child and had served time for one offence committed when he has a teenager but had since been rehabilitated and was a good man, contributing positively to our society, was being separated from his children for ever and being sent to a country where he had no contacts?

Can I ask those condemning the deportations - would they feel the same if it was their daughter raped, their son beaten up, their parents or grandparents burgled and robbed?

Look all these deported criminals had served fairly lengthy prison sentences, so they would all have committed serious crimes.

We all know how few law breakers receive custodial sentences these days.

How many pictures have we seen of smirking criminals leaving court having been given a risible community service ‘punishment’ ?

Funny isn't it how some post comments alleged to support an idea but which on further investigation prove to be no such thing. The 48 Poles to be deported from Scotland are held under EU arrest warrants for crimes committed here but also crimes committed in Poland. They were fighting extradition on grounds that the Polish government is now too right wing. They came here as adults and many breached bail. www.scotsman.com/news/crime/scotland-to-extradite-48-criminals-back-to-poland-after-landmark-ruling-1-4921164
Of course I suppose now we are Brexited EU arrest warrants might no longer be worth the paper they are written on.

Criminal means someone who has committed a crime. If a person steals a mobile phone they are a criminal. The usual pattern of criminality is that less serious crimes are committed and lead on to more serious crimes. Normally a person is not put into prison until many crimes have been committed, unless the judge deems the crime to be serious, or unless there is a statuary prison sentence for a certain crime ie murder. It is not up to us to decide what is a crime, or a serious crime, it is laid down in law.

The point I was trying t make was instead of clamouring for "send them back" , it might be worth trying to differentiate between a violent psychopath and a young man who committed theft or car theft,did the sentence and then was rehabilitated.

Clearly, a total waste of time. Send the back is much more catchy.

Well the man who had been in jail for drug offences and violence, who on his release killed his girlfriend with a hammer in front of her 6 year old daughter.

The "County Lines" drug dealers.

Why should they remain in the U.K. if they are not "legally entitled to be here"?

What is a criminal? A phone stealer, a rapist, a con man , a fraud?

If they are criminals then that's fine .
Why should we have the expense of keeping them.
But I don`t think the none criminals should go back that`s totally out of order.

Ananimous;

You have posted "Incidentally Jamaica is not a backward country, it is a beautiful country.

I will agree that Jamaica is a beautiful country and even more beautiful if you like to take your holiday within the large complexes and keep safe and do not venture out into the more rough tough areas where you can run into a lot of violence and crime and stand the chance of getting shot if you should upset anyone.
In regard of someone "blossoming" after being sent back to Jamaica can I just ask you "What planet are you living on?" go and do some research or take a holiday out in St Katherines or maybe Kingston but not on any complexes over in Montego Bay. Let us all know how you get on.

I am hearing much worse news about my country the U.K. and I am reserving my sympathies for the two sets of parents of Jack Merrick and Saskia Jones apparently two wonderful young people with all their lives in front of them
and all they wanted to do was help those less fortunate than themselves. This country needs to make it a top priority to do everything it can to tackle and wipe out all this killing in the name of a religion, to make it safe where our next generation of our grand-children can walk our streets and not worry where the next attack will come from.

I am tiring of this thread now as these deportations will continue as long as people have no confirmed U.K. status and keep going on about will not change that.

I guess it means the people who live there Greymar.

I suppose a lot depends on who you count as 'it's people'

I’m certainly not unaware that educational achievement, health outcomes, low birthweight, crime, and a host of other things are affected by income, location, and ethnic origin, but I’m interested as to why some people think crime rates in different countries can’t be compared. Why not?
However when people regularly decry their own country and it’s people but are sympathetic towards other countries and their people, it comes across as a form of inverted racism.

Scotland is sending 48 Polish criminals back to Poland according to Scotsman.com.

Well it is obviously got something to do with racism trisheras nobody has been up in arms about criminals from other countries being repatriated!!

I'm amazed that anyone fails to recognise that the risk of going astray and being caught is linked inevitably to where you live, your income and your ethnic origins.
And that anyone would compare UK crime rates with that of a country like Jamaica and try to bring racism into it!
Interestingly enough the Queen remains Head of State for Jamaica perhaps she should take some responsibility for these people who foolishly believed in British justice.

Good parenting does help keep children on the right tracks. Of course some may still astray, but there’s a smaller risk.

I’m amazed that anyone would think it’s unfair to send criminals back to their country of birth because there are already many criminals there, but it’s apparently completely ok to keep them in the UK where there are also many criminals if the reports of over full prisons are anything to go by. Seems like a sort of inverse racism to me.

A small input from a Youth Worker can turn kids around, I've seen it.