The British PM has a history of racism and bigotry

Ah , the discredited study so beloved by the Daily Mail.

He must be nuts then?

He may well carry the genetics for it . Now thats where the 20% nurture kicks in - has his environment added a trigger factor for him to display his mothers genetic factors...... if in fact he inherited them as reality check only half of your genes come from your mother anyway.

We dont know, but clearly he got something passed down from his progenitors, including Ataturk just as I have genes passed down from my great grandparents. Thats a biological certainty.

We do inherit factors like it or not ( and by the way I would have preferred it if we did not in many ways because a lot of arguments that I would love to claim nurture on are in fact nature.

But the next question then would be exactly what is their nature.

OK lets start with the schizophrenia one

Taken from the NHS websigte as it happens ( or do you think the NHS is so rubbish now they dont know their science?).

"Genetics account for almost 80 per cent of a person's risk of developing schizophrenia, according to new research," the Mail Online reports. That is the main finding of a study looking at how often schizophrenia affected both twins of a pair, looking at identical and non-identical twins"

The study was carried out by researchers from the Center for Neuropsychiatric Schizophrenia Research at Copenhagen University Hospital in Denmark. Funding was provided by the Lundbeck Foundation Center of Excellence for Clinical Intervention and Neuropsychiatric Schizophrenia Research, and Lundbeck Foundation Initiative for Integrative Psychiatric Research.

The study was published in the peer-reviewed journal Biological Psychiatry, and is available to read for free online.

When I went to University in 1975, one of the first debates we looked at was nature and nurture. Even back then the 80% genes figure was being quoted and backed up by what was then fairly primitive research. It was believed then that this 80% figure was general across most things, not just mental illness. When I went back to university in 1989 the same figures were being used with different research.

Today I read the same 80/20 ideas with more modern research.

He must be nuts then?

Johnson's mother has had serious mental health issues.

What is your source of all this?

Google, of course!

I must admit that the idea of a 'statesman' gene has me ROFL...

(And, WTAF...)

Deference to our 'betters' isn't dead, is it...

I wonder, where did Johnson get his 'lying through your teeth every time you open your mouth' gene from?

30% or 80 %? Oh well, never mind.

However, the risk may be lower. A 2014 report from the Consortium on the Genetics of Schizophrenia Family Study in the United States with nearly 300 families concluded that the risk of schizophrenia was only 31 percent within a nuclear family

No, aprilrose, there is no established proof of an 80/20% influence of genes on intelligence and personality. There might well be information out there via Google, but that doesn't mean that it's authentic. I prefer to listen to and discuss with proper geneticists.

In any case, apart from genetics, you seem to be a little confused about Gramsci. What is your source of all this?

I am sick and tired of people who make ridiculous claims.

april please post your link to your 80% figure

There are many books and a whole raft of papers across the internet that suggest that 80% /20% nature nurture figure. It has been a long establised one ( even the NHS accept it for illness and other conditions).

You carry the genes and an environmental factor will act as a trigger.

Its true of most mental illnesses, especially bi polar and schizophrenia which are well established. Intelligence is also largely carried through genes.

Just check the internet - google is your friend on this one. I am sick and tired of people who cann ot do their own research.

Anyway what has Boris’ DNA profile to do with anything? He learned to think this from his upbringing and schooling

Really? Are you telling me that brought up in an education system dominated by Gramsci style cultural Marxism he didnt absorb it? My he must be an independent thinker - although to be honest a lot of government policy has not changed and much of what is currently being proposed is the same hogwash as it was before.

Yehbutnobut For the sake of clarity, it would be helpful if you put a date (and maybe a link) on your quotes so we can see what is current and what is dated. I am not sure why your clips identify Johnson as a racist (at least what I take to be a racist) and to draw parallels between Hitler and Johnson is extreme.

Should we also draw a parallel between Owen Jones' inflammatory language and that used by dictators of the past? I suspect not although, as with Johnson's premiership, time will tell what Owen Jones turns out to be or do.

I suppose I should not have expected balance when I read your introduction and since there is none, I will leave this thread to those who enjoy a morning rant.

Oh Chestnut will be on shortly Grey to tell april she really has no idea ..... or maybe not ????FFS

Oh dear suziewoozie you really have no idea

Oops

FFS = For Facts Sake btw

But if you read up on Ali, you’ll see that he was a journalist so that bit could of course have been inherited and he was murdered ( is there a gene that makes it more likely you’ll suffer that fate?)

I suppose what BJ has learned as he gets older is the aboity to conceal his real opinions and character behind that genial, bit-of-a-lad, comedian frontage. He doesn't do the Bullingdon Club stuff now (well not in public anyway)

Oh dear silly silly me. I was so taken aback by aprils belief in the hereditary nature of ‘revolutionary statesmanship’ that I quite forgot to check her claim as to who Johnson’s great grandfather was. He rather seems to be not Mustafa Kemal Ataturk but Ali Kemal. There is additionally the rather delicious irony that all of the former’s children were adopted. I’m not sure which great grandfather Johnson had had to be honest. Oh go on, yes I do. GN home of the right wing fake news factory.

Does anybody have any links to these claims about DNA please? I find them quite ridiculous. Do the RF family for example exhibit the " ruling and duty" genes we see with the Queen?

Anyway what has Boris’ DNA profile to do with anything? He learned to think this from his upbringing and schooling.

Oh dear do you really believe that old Chestnut ?

Cunco if people had taken Hitler’s early writing more seriously then perhaps millions needn’t have died. There is nothing to indicate that Boris is less of a racist now than he was twenty years ago, which is why I included one from a couple of months ago.

You see, that shows a history of bigotry which he is happy to continue to the present day. A long held belief.

The other issue is that the definition of statesmanship changes over time and is different between cultures unlike eg blue eyes which we can all agree on ( unless you are reading the thread on colour of course)

Is it nature or is it nurture how we turn out and what we do in life?