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Does anyone believe BJ has any intention of negotiating a Deal with EU?

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jura2 Sun 23-Feb-20 15:30:30

... or just making it so impossible that we will end up with No Deal at last minute- with him ringing hands saying 'oh we tried so hard, but the EU wouldn't play ball- so we had no choice...'

It was the ERG's aim from the start- and the will of Trump and Putin too.

jura2 Thu 27-Feb-20 17:34:01

Yes Jabber- let's have the backbone to shoot ourselves, in the foot- both feet even - yeah, that will show them - bravo, hurrah.

Jabberwok Thu 27-Feb-20 16:17:39

I think in terms of civility it does!! 'I want, doesn't get, ' compromise stands more of a chance!

Greta Thu 27-Feb-20 15:56:52

Not sure if I would compare our EU negotiations with hiring a window cleaner, Jabberwok.

Jabberwok Thu 27-Feb-20 15:42:30

At last, someone with the backbone to stand up to these EU bullies! Demands over fishing, demands over Gibraltar? and that's just for starters! Lucky I don't take that attitude with my window cleaner, as for certain I'd never see him again!

jura2 Thu 27-Feb-20 11:49:53

Perfide - of course.

jura2 Thu 27-Feb-20 11:36:08

La Perdide Albion strikes again sad or rather 'le' or 'les' (ERG) - mind you Baker has just resigned, so François is in charge - God help us.

jura2 Thu 27-Feb-20 11:35:12

The message to the EU, and anyone else around the world- Johnson cannot be trusted- ever.

jura2 Thu 27-Feb-20 11:32:43

But this is what Johnson signed up for- no? Why did he sign if it is not what he planned?

Urmstongran Thu 27-Feb-20 11:14:32

“The government said it hoped to achieve “the broad outline” of an agreement by June with the aim of finalising a deal by September.

But it said that if not enough progress has been made by June, then the government would “need to decide whether the UK’s attention should move away from negotiations and focus solely on continuing domestic preparations to exit the transition period in an orderly fashion.

The UK’s demands put it at odds with the EU, which wants some degree of regulatory alignment, with the option of imposing tariffs if one side reneges. It would also like a role for the ECJ.

Downing Street says this goes further in restricting the UK’s sovereignty than the EU’s offers to other nations such as Japan, Canada and the US.”

Urmstongran Thu 27-Feb-20 11:12:41

Breaking new from the Guardian:
The U.K. says it will consider walking away from E.U. talks in June.

jura2 Thu 27-Feb-20 09:21:14

VArian 'what will it take to make them wake up and see the truth'?

When it is too late, is the answer. There is so much poorly placed false pride involved... that many at this stage would rather scupper the country than admit they were wrong.

jura2 Thu 27-Feb-20 09:19:24

''Boris Johnson is preparing to tear up part of the Brexit deal as he sets out his "red lines" for a trade agreement with the European Union on Thursday.

The Prime Minister has made it clear that he will not be bound by the political declaration attached to the EU Withdrawal Agreement, which sets out the ground rules for a trade deal.

Downing Street sources said the rules of engagement agreed by Mr. Johnson last year had been superseded by promises made in the Tory manifesto on which he was elected in December.

The Prime Minister believes he is within his rights to go back on previous agreements covering areas including borders, fishing rights, and state aid.''

He has signed an withdrawal agreement agreeing to basic principles and is now backing out. All EU members, and others around the world, know that he cannot be trusted and his word is worthless.

Nezumi65 Thu 27-Feb-20 07:39:27

Don’t forget the Human Rights Act Greta - Tories no keen on that either.

anniezzz09 Wed 26-Feb-20 20:52:50

grin Varian

varian Wed 26-Feb-20 20:35:12

Only half the UK. But what will it take to make them wake up and see the truth?

MaizieD Wed 26-Feb-20 20:12:50

Bloody Brexit has just turned the UK crazy.

Greta Wed 26-Feb-20 18:23:27

Marina Hyde in the Guardian writes:
Quote: ...page 48 of the Tory manifesto is where all the scary shit is. Voter ID, or voter suppression as it is known everywhere that has it. Which is not currently us, but Johnson wishes to import that democratic poison. Other lowlights? “We also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution, the relationship between the government, parliament and the courts; the functioning of the royal prerogative, the role of the House of Lords.” Oh. Oh dear. The Tories also promise to do something about the irksome business of judicial oversight of the government. End quote.

This is what really worries me. It is an insidious process. When we begin to notice it'll be too late.

MaizieD Wed 26-Feb-20 17:47:23

It is frightening, Ug, that you, and others, whose only object is to 'get Brexit done' are completely unaware of the way our constitution works and the extreme danger of working to do away with the checks and balances within it. That is what leads to dictatorship.

If you don't understand the implications of that it is time you started doing some hard thinking and looking at Russia, prewar Germany and Italy and various other countries run by dictators. Some of them 'appear' to be democracies, but the institutions which are supposed to make them democratic have been, as one commentator has put it, 'hollowed out'. They're still there but have no function. This is exactly what Cummings is trying to achieve.

suziewoozie Wed 26-Feb-20 17:40:50

We should have ignored Urm

jura2 Wed 26-Feb-20 17:38:43

Urmstongran said ''All those negotiators have families too!''

so I checked about Cummings as I did not know if he has 'a family'. So now I know. But you are right- keep family out of it.

suziewoozie Wed 26-Feb-20 17:29:16

You’re right GG sorry, I shouldn’t have joined in.

GrannyGravy13 Wed 26-Feb-20 17:26:53

-“away”no idea where that came from?

GrannyGravy13 Wed 26-Feb-20 17:26:07

Why bring a four year away child and it’s mother into this thread?

suziewoozie Wed 26-Feb-20 17:00:39

His wife deserves whatever her lot is - anyway, they must have a nanny

jura2 Wed 26-Feb-20 16:58:18

Poor wife too- she can't be getting much support from her OH either sad