The Guardian Cartoon of Priti Patel & Boris Johnson

None at all vegan. I was merely building on the presumption of the OP which was that the cartoon is hugely offensive because the cow is sacred in the Hindu religion.

Does she believe in the caste system.?

We are all assuming that just because Patel is of Hindu heritage she subscribes to teaching of that religion. Do we have any evidence of that?

POGS I really was just interested to know if kittylester applied the same principles to everyone. Or if her comment was politically influenced. I don't understand why you feel the need to intervene.

trisher Mon 09-Mar-20 16:24:55

'Weinstein was widely condemned in the press and on GN before the trial kittylester I just wondered how far your "presumed innocent" beliefs extended?'
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Hmm. I wonder how far those posters who prefer the ' kangaroo court' method instead of believing in ' presumed innocence' and spoke so robustly / nastily on GN in an accusatory manner over the Westminster Peaodophile Ring accusation believing it was all true or Christopher Jefferies was guilty because he ' looked a wrong un' would go. Lord knows there are plenty of GN posters who should feel ashamed they preferred the Kangaroo Court method, they were proven to be bang out of order, not that they would care.

Using Weinstein as a point to try and say he was guilty and we knew it and relating it to the Priti Patel debacle shows you are ' presuming guilt ' and not even giving ' presumed innocent ' a look in. The Kangarro Court may well be correct and Priti Patel is found guilty as charged but others prefer to follow process and like to understand what information will inevitably be produced to come to their conclusion.

That is what Kitty is saying in my opinion, apologies if I am mistaken Kitty.

Bullied

Interestingly, many of those who have worked for her have a completely different take on her. I’m sure Marr isn’t at all embarrassed.

If it turns out that she hasn’t billed all the people that claim she has then she has nothing to worry about and is obviously practising Hinduism as it should be.

I still can’t get worked up about some cartoons depicting both of them as bulls in a china shop.

On the Andrew Marr Show yesterday one of the settee commentators doing the paper review was actually able to speak with authority because he had worked with/for Priti Patel.

He did not have a bad word to say about her, quite the opposite.

That must have caused a bit of personal embarrassment for Andrew Marr after he had shamefully accused Priti Patel of smiling over bad news which was false and the BBC apologised for his rant.

It is perfectly acceptable for any person to make accusations of bullying but equally it is perfectly acceptable for any person accused of bullying to also be a participant in a due care and due diligence process and the right to be innocent until proven guilty. Given the high profile of Priti Patel and Sir Philip Rutnum it is correct procedure for the Cabinet Office to assess the truth or lies behind the situation.

I dont think you saw me condemn Harvey Weinstein on here either Trisher.

Weinstein was widely condemned in the press and on GN before the trial kittylester I just wondered how far your "presumed innocent" beliefs extended?

Being thick here, trisher but I don't follow?

I think the Guardian is a lefty paper so I'm not surprised.

Alexa
Based on your premise then a sophisticated muslim should not be offended if represented by a pig?(Joelsnan)

Pigs are supposed by some people to be unclean but cows are honoured by some other people. If Prito P is a village hindu who honours cows why should she be offended by cow horns?

kittylester would you have asked the same question before Harvey Weinstein's trial?

How do we know how Priti Patel treats her staff? We have, so far, only heard one side of the story. Or did I miss the result of any unbiased investigation?

Well there you are eazybee we are up the creek without a paddle! But then I knew that, look at who is PM!

I wonder how Patel squares her treatment of her staff with the Hindu teachings about kindness, compassion, karma and harmlessness?

It’s a cartoon in a country where free speech is tolerated - I cannot get worked up about it.

And has nothing to do with job descriptions.
As I understand it, freedom of speech is extended to people who draw pictures for newspapers, but not to journalists who write for them, because they are also MPs.

Not crude easybee just an historical phrase. It comes from the tanning industry which relied on people providing their urine.

Really?
I have never heard of a job description like that before.
How crude.

eazybee if we have reached the stage where people can't see the difference between cartoonists (whose purpose and job description is taking the piss) and politicians (who are supposed to be moral, take diversity seriously and represent all faiths and none) we are truly up the creek!! (and without a paddle in sight!)

And why did the cartoonist depict Boris Johnson as a bull?

The Outraged of Orpington have obviously never heard of:

bull-y
bullshit
bullheaded
bullish
or talking bull.

Cartoonists have a long history of mocking political leaders, Should they be censored for fear of causing offence ? Even when there is no evidence of offence being caused?

So why was there so much offence taken when Boris Johnson, writing an article defending its wearing, likened the burka to a letterbox?

Ah, yes, nandalot! Nifty thinking on your part.