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The Guardian Cartoon of Priti Patel & Boris Johnson

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GrannyGravy13 Sun 08-Mar-20 12:02:57

As The Guardian is often quoted by many posters on the political threads as the only accurate/acceptable source of news/current affairs.

I am interested to know what they think of the cartoon depicting the Home Secretary as a Bull complete with horns and a ring through her nose especially as in the religion she follows cows/bulls are sacred??

Would it be acceptable to depict a Muslim member of parliament as a pig? I doubt it very much, in my opinion it would be the cause of moral outrage by many?

I have not posted a photograph of the cartoon, as I do not want to perpetuate the humiliating image.

eazybee Sun 08-Mar-20 12:09:29

So why mention it at all?

lemongrove Sun 08-Mar-20 12:12:24

I expect the cartoonist at The Guardian is ignorant of that fact ( that she is from the Hindu religion.)
Either that or he doesn’t care either way.
But you are right GG had a Muslim minister been depicted in a cartoon as a pig, there would be all hell let loose in the media.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 08-Mar-20 12:14:14

I wanted to know if others thought it was unacceptable or because it was in The Guardian and not one of the other newspapers people on here found it to be acceptable.

If it has been a Labour/Liberal MP in what is regularly called on GN The Daily Mail/Heil I feel that there would have been outrage shown by many.

Dinahmo Sun 08-Mar-20 12:22:56

It's by Steve Bell who is renowned for his depiction of many PMs over the years. and he is a regular cartoonist for the Guardian. I found it quite amusing.

eazybee Sun 08-Mar-20 12:23:25

And I rather think you may be trying to provoke another argument.

POGS Sun 08-Mar-20 12:52:22

Granny Gravy 13

To be honest as a generalisation I think satire does go way too far at times and can be quite purposefully cruel, the intention of it after all. The nature of the beast is fed by the oxygen of those who revel in belittling or abusing those they dislike, the same as effigy burning. It is perversely deemed as innocent fun but there is an unspoken dark side that most people accept and to be fair should be allowed to happen unless it is overtly racist/anti semetic etc. The border can be a tad fuzzy however at times.

It is not the domain of left/right politics but it does shine a light on the nature of the both the producer of some cartoons /satire and those who deem it funny or not. What one person will find funny at any one given time another will not and so satire lives on because it is in the eye of the beholder I suppose.

growstuff Sun 08-Mar-20 13:11:51

False premise alert: I don't think I have ever seen any GN poster claim that the Guardian is the only accurate/acceptable source of news/current affairs. There aren't many reputable newspapers left in the public domain these days. The Guardian is one of the few.

I hadn't spotted the cartoon, so I googled it. Both Patel and Johnson are depicted as bulls. I'm not sure whether Patel is a Hindu, but I'm sure Johnson isn't.

My interpretation of it is that they are being depicted as bulls in a china shop, which is probably a fair observation.

GrannyGravy What are your views about the numerous cartoons of Jeremy Corbyn, which have appeared over the years? What about the anti-Muslim cartoons, which appeared in Charlie Hebdo? Or the Mohammed cartoons, which appeared in a Danish newspaper a few years ago?

I find it interesting that when people agree with the sentiments in cartoons, however offensive they are, they claim that it's free speech. However, the same people turn into snowflakes, when they disagree with the sentiments.

EllanVannin Sun 08-Mar-20 14:05:11

Being as the Guardian is a Labour orientated newspaper and Labour have no objection to multiculturism, I'd have said it was published as a skit/ slight towards other publications who'd have been lambasted for printing it. Only the Guardian dared print this.

M0nica Sun 08-Mar-20 14:07:44

Oh, come on growstuff people may not claim openly that the Guardian is the only accurate/acceptable source of news/current affairs. but you saying There aren't many reputable newspapers left in the public domain these days. The Guardian is one of the few. rather undermines your argument.

I always feel confident when I quote The Guardian on GN that all the Bien-pense will read and listen to my point with more confidence and belief than if I quoted the Daily Mail or Daily Telegraph.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 08-Mar-20 14:18:34

growstuff I am against cartoons which are racist wrapped up as satire

NotSpaghetti Sun 08-Mar-20 14:20:30

Just a quick point GG13 - it may be that “in the religion she follows cows/bulls are sacred” but how does that correlate with pigs in the Muslim faith?
It seems to me to be the opposite if anything.
I don’t understand the link you are struggling to make here.

trisher Sun 08-Mar-20 14:22:12

It's funny and Steve Bell has a history of using other religions in his cartoons. So it's no more insulting than the others.

Joelsnan Sun 08-Mar-20 14:24:22

I found it to be in extreme bad taste.

I note a major hypocrisy overload from the ‘usuals’

GrannyGravy13 Sun 08-Mar-20 14:24:47

NotSpaghetti to portray a Muslim as a pig, or eating pork is an insult against Islam (hence the spate of idiots leaving bacon outside Mosques)

NotSpaghetti Sun 08-Mar-20 14:25:55

Yes, GrannyGravy13 - my point exactly!

GrannyGravy13 Sun 08-Mar-20 14:34:45

Having just spoken to my Hindu friend, she has said that she finds the cartoon deeply offensive as would any Hindu.

growstuff Sun 08-Mar-20 14:47:31

MOnica Which reputable newspapers are left, which aren't behind a paywall? Sorry, but I disagree with you. I used to read the Times and the Telegraph, but I'm not going to pay for the privilege.

I actually quote a number of different sources in my posts, and so do other posters. I hesitate to post links to the Guardian because I know that it has a particular bias and can sometimes undermine an argument.

growstuff Sun 08-Mar-20 14:48:19

Did you find Johnson being depicted as a bull in bad taste?

growstuff Sun 08-Mar-20 14:49:09

Did you talk to any Muslim friends about the Charlie Hebdo cartoons?

growstuff Sun 08-Mar-20 14:50:31

Am I one of the "usuals"? Would you mind pointing out whether I have said it's in bad taste or not? I was raising the issue of double standards.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 08-Mar-20 14:51:08

I did not find Boris Johnson being depicted as a Bull offensive, as it was not a slur on his religion. (Not sure if he is religious in any way actually)

GrannyGravy13 Sun 08-Mar-20 14:53:20

Ha Ha growstuff my neighbors are Muslim, they unfortunately are resigned to the fact that since 9-11 it has been open season on Islam, whether or not you are a peaceful Muslim or a radical!!

trisher Sun 08-Mar-20 14:54:57

Steve Bell has drawn cartoons which insult practically every main religion you can think of. They all probably had members who were upset about this, but there is no legislation to protect religious beliefs (thank goodness).

M0nica Sun 08-Mar-20 14:57:35

The Daily Mail, The Daily Mrror. The i, and there is nothing to stop you buying a paper. You get far more news across a far wider range of subjects much more quickly if you buy a paper rather than just rely on the internet.