Oh dear Harry and Meghan

Why? Because he has a wife who is geeing him up over mental health issues he was probably well on the way to putting behind him.

Bleating and self-pity is all he has going for him now.

What a waste of a once popular member of the RF.

I wonder about Timothy Knatchbull, whose twin brother, two grandparents and friend were murdered by the IRA. He was seriously injured, as were his parents, in the explosion. He is now in his forties, appears happily married with children, and has come to terms with his grief.

I know he is not in the public eye to the same extent as Harry, but H is at what should be one of the happiest times of his life: he has a wife and child he adores, a very comfortable life, and everything he could wish for. Yet since his marriage he has changed into a sour, dour complainer who appears unable to count his very considerable blessings. Why?

MawB
I agree with both your posts from yesterday, 12/03/20, one at 9.20 and another at 22.06.
Posters should not be labelled vitriolic due to expressing their own opinions. In several H+M threads posters have been described as vitriolic, and other unsavoury descriptors have also been used. People are allowed to express their own opinions, some agree with H+M’s actions, personally I can’t see why unless they would, unless there is a hope that this is the beginning of the end and will lead ultimately to a republic. But please let posters express their legitimate opinion without castigation such as calling people vitriolic.

Iam you did speak of the death of his mother in your post
yesterday when you spoke of your experience with those who
have suffered grief.

You accuse posters of being vitriolic, have you never thought
the critcism of Harry is born from frustration of his at times
stupid actions and words.

Where is your defence when Prince Phillip is criticised, he had
a brutal childhood. Or the Queen who was so suddenly thrown
into a way of life which must have been terrifying for a young
girl.

No apology necessary for me MawB. I wasn't making a direct link between the loss of his mother and the naive way he seems to have responded to these phone calls. I understand your point about the Palace bubble, the high level of protection and security Harry would have until he decided to leave that behind. He was caught out by clever pranksters, though I do accept the point made by others, that such 'pranks' have caused real problems including a suicide in the past.

My comments are about the way some people seem to delight in criticising and making what I see as unnecessarily unkind comments which don't acknowledge the impact of his childhood and early life experiences on where he's at now.

"sycophantic witterings" No, I see nothing of that nature.

I didn't mean on this thread, Greymar. I meant those surrounding Harry during his early adult years and beyond.

I am sorry Iam64 if you feel this thread has gone off at a tangent from my original post.
I dont see any connection between the sad loss of his mother and the example of naivety shown by Harry in the face of devious pranksters. My point was that having lived in the Palace "bubble" all.his life, he is proving ill-equipped to strike out on his own . He's not the first to be conned and he wont be the last but I just wish he had not been so determined to turn his back on the sort of staff and advice who could have been of service and avoided this sort of embarrassment.

With respect I am as free to call someone I have never met
a b***h as others are free to call people they have never met
vitriolic.

Please put you your wooden away , I am concerned your arm
will ache.

Have an opinion, but don't call somebody you have never met a bitch.

I am sure there are posters who know children whose parents
have divorced, who know children who have lost a parent from abandonment or death.

I accept there are experts in this field sadly some dismiss the
opinions of others or the rights of others to hold opinions

"sycophantic witterings" No, I see nothing of that nature.

I don't know him or his wife.

I do know what vitriol is and I've seen far too much of it expressed towards this couple on various threads. Apologies if I haven't trawled this thread identifying what it vitriolic, what is simply unpleasant.
H couldn't possibly have been 'treated like an ordinary bloke' in the army. It sounds as though his service was one of the few experiences in his life when he felt remotely like 'an ordinary bloke'. I've no experience of boys who grew up in the RF but sadly, I have a fair bit of experience of boys who experienced fractured attachments, loss of stability due to parental separation, grief as a result of the death of a patent,significant adult carer, or sibling at a key stage of development . I could go on but what's the point. Those who remain determined to dismiss any of the various traumas that H undoubtedly grew up with and experienced during his service will simply be dismissed.

If every member of the armed services ,had Gurkha guards when in Afghanistan, he was treated like an ordinary bloke,

As much as officers in the Army are treated the same as
‘other ranks’

Another word for vitriol is caustic. Maybe if a few caustic comments had been tossed in Harry's direction over the years instead of sycophantic witterings, things might have turned out differently.

I laugh when he says he was treated like an ordinary bloke in the army. If he was, I wonder what they think of him now.

They'll be laughing their socks off.

I wish some of the money allocated to H&M was spent on policing my area. The Police Station has been closed and I can't remember when I last saw a policeman around.

I would expect one poster who used it to know what vitriol means

Who?

Seems some of us have .

Gosh , malice, poison , what else , just for criticising celebrities.

'Vitriol' is also an old term for sulphuric acid and can loosely used to mean 'poison'

MawB you have definitely not used vitriol to make your observations

I would expect one poster who used it to know what vitriol means .

Maybe it's wise not to use words such as vitriol if you're unsure of the definition

I've seen a few of these posts and they do not contain vitriol

The definition of vitriol is - malice !

Do I need to use shouty capitals?
I have expressed NO vitriol.
I have expressed concern about Harry’s possible naivety, his lack of experience without the protection of “the Firm” and all it provides in the way of advice and protection.
H and M have handled things badly, arousing regret and even hostility in some quarters and this has not helped.
With the correct advice, instead of going their own way, none of this might have turned out as it did. .
But I repeat, NO VITRIOL

‘Vitriol’ is used as a personal attack eazybee

Would the same admiration given to this couple be given to
people who wanted to claim benefits because they didn’t want
to work?

This man is a liability, and a very expensive one.

Six million pounds to protect an idiot who has not the slightest idea about taking responsibility for looking after himself, let alone his family. Rejecting the duties commensurate with being a member of the Royal family, but expecting the privileges ( protection among them) that accompany them.

Not vitriol. Anger.

Iam is a very sensible person and if she says vitriol, I will go with that.

It's been unbelievable the hatred aimed at 2 people we don't even know.

Do you remember Sasha Baron Cohen used to gate crash events? I think it is pretty easy to fool people.