Italy

This is frightening

And updated

FT shows that we are in fact only 9 days behind Italy.

This time in the corvid growth Italy had completely shut down.

We need complete lock down now

Yes this is frightening. I have to admit to being completely preoccupied with it and have been for over two weeks.

We need to lockdown now. So many people are behaving as normal, even when they are being asked not to. There could be 250,000 extra deaths if we don’t follow social distancing.

Did you read of the dreadful scenes in Whitstable yesterday at the Oyster Shack? Why the police didn’t go in and arrest the staff there for endangering public health is beyond me.

No Susie. Do you have a link?

Here you are
www.kentonline.co.uk/whitstable/news/council-deplore-businesses-encouraging-large-gatherings-224217/

Italy has a high aged population, the average age of the deaths there is 81.

shropshirelass have you looked at the graphs and the trajectory?

What what it is worth and I am no expert only from what I have read and observed. Both the Chinese and the Italians seem to live hand to jowl in multi generational family homes. A easy route for transmission. The Italians are a very touchy feely race with lots of hugs and kissing on greeting. Again the perfect vector for transmission. As someone posted further up our disjointed families might just save some of us. Maggie Thatcher told us to get on our bikes and look for work and families got split up. However those whose families visited on Mothers day may have put their elders at risk. I noticed on the television how close the old buildings were in Italy. a bit like the ones we have in York in the Shambles. So close you could shake hands. Also all the one we saw singing on their balconies in high rise apartments probably all used the same entrance and exits.
i certainly wouldn't have gone out on the balconies like that the only safe people would have been those right at the top and any virus shed would have drifted down to those below. I know we have high rise apartments here but I think there are probably more living in houses with their own front doors. Apart from the idiots who went out this weekend as if it were a holiday I am hoping the way we live might protect us a little bit but who knows. They say London is a hot spot because of the crowds we had there and close proximity of people but Wolverhampton is a hot spot too? Probably because of the high concentration of Asian families who again live in multi generational families. lastly elderly people living in OAP homes are potentially at risk because a relative might bring the virus in and infect all the residents! Oh and on top of that both the Chinese and in the older parts of Italy they use squat toilets and infected people can shed virus through their feces. So make sure you put the lid down on your toilet before you flush tp prevent Fecal Florl bloom!

They have squat toilets in Italy?

GagaJo this is from Trip advisor www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTopic-g187768-i20-k1841838-Squat_Toilets_Is_it_True-Italy.html

Ah well! It's good to know that only foreign savages get infected with Covid-19 and it will give the civilised people of Little England a wide berth!

Ah well! It's good to know that only foreign savages get infected with Covid-19 and it will give the civilised people of Little England a wide berth!

The UK is currently following a steeper death curve than Italy was 14 days ago. There must be an awful lot of secret huggers and toilet squatters around!

It wasn't Mrs Thatcher who told us to get on our bikes it was Norman Tebbitt. His father did just this after t he war.

silverlady I can’t believe all this “foreigners are different” nonsense. Yes Italians have a higher % of older people because their life expectancy is greater and the birthdate is lower - but guess what- the worse affected northern area is affluent- people have toilets, bidets, front doors, gated gardens, detached houses, running water, washing machines, expensive cars, grandparents have their own houses. We are going the same way in the growth of this virus. Take it seriously. Don’t believe that it’s only Chinese or other foreigners with their un- British ways of life. This is just ignorance and sweeping generalisations.

A poster * Buddly* who lives in Italy dispelled a lot of the myths and was hurt by comments here.

vegansrock completely agree. My mum was from northern Italy, she was born just before the depression and yes, she went hungry during her childhood and knew all about deprivation, just as happened here. The house she was brought up in was detached with a front garden and land at the back which was used to grow vegetables. A duchess lives in a huge manor house on the little main road through her lovely rural village. There was no squat toilet (granted in the 50s, the toilet was a thunder box at the bottom of the garden, but then many houses in the UK had them then too!). Like the UK, the cities are full of high-rise apartments. But the north of Italy is very prosperous, it is a very wealthy area, it is not full of people living cheek-by-jowl.

vegansrock, I couldn't agree more.

No worries though. Those who don't believe in the transmission rate of the virus won't be around much longer.

As I said on the good morning thread the only one I know personally who has the virus is my sil who lives near Birmingham UK. No one is safe!
We live in a rural area and are lucky to have a large garden. The only place I have ever seen squat toilets is motorway picnic areas in France!! We are quite civilised here!!

Silver lady. Your link was from 12 years ago. There remain a very very few squat toilets and certainly not i n houses. The Italians are amazed we don’t all have bidets and that we don’t rinse the washing up liquid off. As for this nonsense about Italians being more touchy feely have you not seen what people do nowadays here? On tv people hug if someone answers a moronic question right on Some daft quiz show.sorry but that made me cross.