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Government is lying about lack of availability of CV testing chemicals

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GagaJo Wed 01-Apr-20 13:33:45

I'm not surprised. But hugely disappointed. I understand politics and that a Tory decision isn't the same as a Labour decision, but at the moment, SURELY the only thing any government should be doing is whatever helps the country and its people the most?

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/uk-government-forced-to-lie-its-way-out-of-trouble/01/04/?fbclid=IwAR2gVbt6bvLFNw31W7Pz8aV6GYYjzjOEjwXT5Qrtq0YbaixDBZkIXiblgqk#.XoRhTd9Xvj0.facebook

growstuff Thu 02-Apr-20 11:14:53

Do you have a link to the article and PPS?

Whatever your opinion of Peston lemongrove he was reporting what he had been told by the Chemical Industries Association, which represents the UK's very substantial chemicals industry.

Gove has a history of being found out as a liar, so Peston was right to double check what he said and he reported what he had been told.

Pikachu Thu 02-Apr-20 11:17:22

It’s a total cock-up and this bevy of bumbling Boris-led Hooray Henrys don’t know the first thing about logistics.

I’m not a Piers Morgan fan but this clip says it all

Lack of testing front line staff indefensible

Pikachu Thu 02-Apr-20 11:19:17

Yes notanan shouting loud and clear from media and the public is about the only thing to kick start this bunch of incompetents.

Joelsnan Thu 02-Apr-20 11:57:08

Did anyone see Peston on ITV last night where he was basically eviscerated by a virologist.
This should be broadcast over and over again because of the false scaremongering he and others are creating.
At times like this we need seriously researched honest journalism, not the sensationalist crap trap being spewed at the moment.

notanan2 Thu 02-Apr-20 11:57:55

Yes notanan shouting loud and clear from media and the public is about the only thing to kick start this bunch of incompetents.

The "kick start" being tabled now is a relaxing of safety and quality processes.

These things prevent deaths!

notanan2 Thu 02-Apr-20 12:01:17

So great! Lets end up WASTING a whole batch because it was rushed through and now gives false results... never mind the fatalities that'll cause.

... just so the loud shouters are appeased.

Sounds great.

growstuff Thu 02-Apr-20 12:08:09

Is your friend an expert notanan?

The experts in logistics are the civil servants, who have been derided and undermined by the current government.

Changing a strategy in the light of the latest information is a mature and competent move. That's what happened about two weeks ago. Changing your mind on an almost daily basis, giving out figures and making promises then backtracking and covering up is not a sign of a competent government.

growstuff Thu 02-Apr-20 12:09:24

In that case notanan promises shouldn't have been made just to sound good on the day.

growstuff Thu 02-Apr-20 12:10:56

Reporting what he had been told by the Chemical Industries Association wasn't false scaremongering and sensationalist clap trap.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 02-Apr-20 12:14:48

One bit of relief amongst all this chaos and gloom, is that further negotiations are being shelved with regard to brexit.

We will stay as status quo for the foreseeable future.

Sussexborn Thu 02-Apr-20 12:18:30

So instead of letting people get on with dealing with the matter in hand we scream and shout and stamp our feet and do everything possible to disrupt their focus just to make a political point.

That seems like a sensible way of going about things, doesn’t it?

Another reason that BJ got such an enormous endorsement at the GE. Q for the tedious and repetitive whatabouteries!

westendgirl Thu 02-Apr-20 12:24:04

I see that the Speaker has requested a virtual parliament be set up during shut down to allow MPs to scrutinise the Government's latest response. I heard that Rees-Mogg is looking into this on Today and this is mentioned in the Guardian.
Good idea or not ?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 02-Apr-20 12:28:43

sussex no we keep the governments mind focused on what is important. Democracy does that. The problem is that the government isn’t proactive it is reactive and consequently
Confidence is beginning to drop considerably.

Listening to minister after minister every evening at the press conference has been a disaster for No 10, all it has achieved is to highlight the governments complete cluelessness day after day. Words are not actions and that is clear when listening to NHS staff begging for the tests, PPE and equipment needed to fight this virus.

GagaJo Thu 02-Apr-20 12:30:48

Not to make a political point, to make them adhere to WHO advice! ‘Test, test, test.’

GagaJo Thu 02-Apr-20 12:31:35

Sorry Wwm. X post, and yours was much better.

Grany Thu 02-Apr-20 12:40:53

Why are people coming here from Italy Spain and elsewhere without being quarantined tested then getting on public transport moving freely around while rest of British people are on lock down?

Why so slow to start testing? WHO warned weeks ago far behind other countries. Should have planned for this months ago.

Germany is testing far far more.

notanan2 Thu 02-Apr-20 12:44:21

Why are people coming here from Italy Spain and elsewhere without being quarantined

Because we ARE a hotspot.
And community transmission is now a bigger risk than incommers. If anything we're a risk to them..

Grany Thu 02-Apr-20 12:44:22

Well Said WWm2

Sussexborn Thu 02-Apr-20 12:58:32

Carry on draining your serotonin with all your frustration and angst. Reporting half truths as facts. The lower it goes the lower your mental health and ability to resist/survive the disease will be. Never mind you will still be as smug and superior (in your own minds) as ever. Keep up the good work of terrifying the anxious and fearful. The one thing you do well.

growstuff Thu 02-Apr-20 13:03:25

Well, I'm amazed there are so many experts, who claim testing is a waste of time, on GN.

I really think that they should be advising Professor Cosford and Dr Yvonne Doyle, both of Public Health England, Sir Paul Nurse of the Francis Frick Institute and Johnson himself, because they all seem to think we need much more testing. Curious! hmm

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52130230

If it really is such a waste of time, the public should be told, not made even more insecure by empty promises.

growstuff Thu 02-Apr-20 13:04:48

That wasn't a helpful comment Sussexborn.

I know who I'd like in my team in a crisis situation!

growstuff Thu 02-Apr-20 13:06:12

Sussexborn The government is doing a very good job all on its own of terrifying the fearful.

notanan2 Thu 02-Apr-20 13:09:43

Well, I'm amazed there are so many experts, who claim testing is a waste of time, on GN.

Testing = good
Testing using dodgy batched of rushed through not properly checked/stored tests = worse than no testing.

notanan2 Thu 02-Apr-20 13:09:56

batches

Daisymae Thu 02-Apr-20 13:12:24

It seems that many labs have equipment and have contacted the government but have not been able to get a response.