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Anniebach Sat 04-Apr-20 10:54:11

Keir Starmer .

Jabberwok Sun 05-Apr-20 16:29:35

Very wise of her!

suziewoozie Sun 05-Apr-20 16:32:39

Fgs ?JW she resigned weeks ago. Facts dear facts - such an inconvenience to the sneerers

Anniebach Sun 05-Apr-20 16:37:56

trisher I have been a strong critic of Corbyn, I reached my views on him by his own actions and words, not from MSM,

Bluecat Sun 05-Apr-20 17:00:30

Just sticking my head above the parapet to point out that in many places - Scandinavia, for instance - Jeremy's views wouldn't be considered dangerously extreme. There he would be considered pretty much your average social democrat. The vilification he endured was relentless, often verging on absurd. I find it ironic that policies such as pumping cash into the NHS, renationalising the transport industry, paying people enough to live on when they are not working, are crazy Marxism when proposed by him but pure wisdom when emerging from the chops of people like Matt Hancock and Rishi Sunak.

I am waiting to see what Keir does. I live in hope, but I fear a return to the neo-liberal, centrist days of yore. Has anyone looked under a stone to see if Alistair Campbell and Peter Mandelson are ready to come slithering out?

VRH1 Sun 05-Apr-20 17:00:46

I didn’t vote for Starmer. He’s a Tory.
I’ll give him a while to see how he performs.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-Apr-20 17:03:06

Ok here are the first announcements. More tomorrow

Annelleise Dodds - shadow chancellor
Lisa Nandy s. Foreign sec

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-Apr-20 17:05:15

Nick Thomas+ Symonds s Home Secretary
Rachel Reevesx s Duchy of Lancaster
John Ashworth - s Health

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-Apr-20 17:06:20

Rayner - deputy
So far 4 women
3 chaps

growstuff Sun 05-Apr-20 17:07:07

Wow! Those surprise me, especially Lisa Nandy.

The word is that Starmer wants to keep Benn and Cooper as head of select committees.

Anniebach Sun 05-Apr-20 17:08:27

Nick Thomas-Symonds shadow Home Secretary

Rachel Reeves. shadow Chancellor of Duchy of Lancaster

growstuff Sun 05-Apr-20 17:08:49

You don't have much choice VRH1 grin It's democracy in action.

Anniebach Sun 05-Apr-20 17:09:19

Sorry Whitewave

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-Apr-20 17:11:44

No problem annie keep posting because I get things wrong?

Daisymae Sun 05-Apr-20 17:14:14

I am looking forward to a credible opposition which is what the country needs. However I've been disappointed before so will have to see how things pan out.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-Apr-20 17:15:22

Covid task force announced.

Those are those already announced in shadow cabinet

Will sit alongside Starmer in covid meetings

Ilovecheese Sun 05-Apr-20 17:36:25

Absolutely right Bluecat Socialist views are mainstream in some other countries.
But, although I supported the policies of Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell, (as apparently now, so does Rishi Sunak) I think we have to give Keir Starmer a chance.
Annalise Dodds is a good choice.
I personally don't like the policies of Rachel Reeves, but then I am not sure what the Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster is actually in charge of.

Anniebach Sun 05-Apr-20 17:42:45

A shadow cabinet not all London

GracesGranMK3 Sun 05-Apr-20 17:43:09

trisher I have been a strong critic of Corbyn, I reached my views on him by his own actions and words, not from MSM,

You must have got the information from somewhere Annie. Were you actually at all the things you used against him, was it an angel that informed you or could it just have been the media?

Anniebach Sun 05-Apr-20 17:45:51

I repeat ‘ I reached my views on him by his own actions and
words’ .

Greeneyedgirl Sun 05-Apr-20 17:46:26

I was a supporter of Corbyn's policies, but I am also a pragmatist, and could see that this country would never vote for Labour with a him as leader.
I voted for Lisa Nandy, but am happy with Starmer, and Angela Rayner as deputy.
It is fruitless having radical policies if never elected to carry them out.
I do think Corbyn has been very unfairly treated by the MSM, but I guess this was inevitable in a neoliberal country such as the UK.
I agree with Peter Oborne's article in Middle East Eye. No mainstream politician in modern times has been mocked and misrepresented as Corbyn, nor has any been proved right so often.

Pikachu Sun 05-Apr-20 18:03:54

* No mainstream politician in modern times has been mocked and misrepresented as Corbyn, nor has any been proved right so often*

Very true

Whitewavemark2 Sun 05-Apr-20 18:11:05

New shadow cabinet (so far) told absolute priority is the covid virus

growstuff Sun 05-Apr-20 18:43:30

Scratching my head a bit about references to Blair and trade unions.

As far as I can see, few (if any) of the new shadow cabinet appointees served under Blair (or Brown). Blair might still be quite vocal (and, to be honest, he does still talk sense at times), but I don't think there's any danger that he'll be in government.

As for the trade unions, Unison is the biggest trade union and 80% of its members are female, mainly in low paid, often insecure jobs. The teaching and nursing unions are also huge and have grievances which haven't been addressed for years. I can't honestly see that Unite no longer being able to bend the leader of the Labour Party's ear is going to be a big loss.

PS. Watching what the Labour Party does after the next few months or year … it might even get my vote!

Tillybelle Sun 05-Apr-20 19:04:21

paddyanne
The CPS have to decide if a case will be won in Court. If a case is brought to them by the Police which they think will not be won, then the CPS's job is to save public money by returning that case to the Police explaining why it would not win if it were to go to court. The DPP never has and never will 'throw a case out'. In the case the Police prepared against Savile, the CPS said that if it went to court it would be shot down by Savile's Defence for lack of evidence. Therefore they said the Police needed to find more evidence. There was never any judgement that there was no case against Savile by the CPS, just that the Police had not prepared enough evidence to make it stand up in court so as to bring a conviction. If a conviction is not going to be achieved, it is the job of the CPS to return the case to the Police and tell them to bring it back with more evidence. The CPS basically has to safeguard the public purse. It cannot prosecute a case knowing that it does not have enough evidence to achieve a conviction. To take a case such as this to court would cost the taxpayer thousands upon thousands of pounds. There is no point unless they know they have enough evidence to prove the crime(s) took place and a guilty result is probable.

stewaris Sun 05-Apr-20 19:14:57

I read his speech and I must admit he is a man I could vote for, I think. For too long Labour has not been the choice of the sensible person. My father was a great trade unionist and always said there was very little difference in politics between the parties but Labour always put the working man first and the Tories the wealthy. I'm tired of going into a ballot box and voting by exception is I can't vote for them or them or them and I'm generally left with the equivalent of the Raving Loony Party (apologies to them).