New Labour LEADER

Rant ? condemning blackmail isn’t a rant , I posted my opinion
blackmail, no rant

There was a complete collapse of support for the labour party in favour of the tories. This is not a good thing. I know they are the only credible opposition it's why I dont waste any energy on the lib dems. I criticise the labour party because I care about it, but I don't pretend that it is successful when it isn't.

anniebach, this has been a reasonable discussion so there is no requirement for anyone to produce posts that are rants.

Blackmail is a vile .

how many Labour Party members ?

how many Union members ?

how many eligible to vote in the country ?

anniebach there are some who would have us believe that it was Brexit that gave the Tory party the election victory. However, those same people would also have us believe that Brexit played no part in the Labour defeat, is was solely Corbyn.

Galaxy, as you are contributing to this discussion, that provides evidence that the Labour party are the only real alternative to the Conservative government. That fact is despite all predictions that due to Corbyn leadership a complete collapse of support for labour would come about in favour of other parties.

Therefore to ignore those now warning that support for the Parliamentary Labour Party may be brought to an end from within the wider Labour movement should I feel be taken very seriously.

For in terms of a credible opposition to the Tory Party there is nothing else.

let me remind you granddad43 labour voters voted Tory

Impressed so far, nothing has happened yet. Parliament is suspended along with all committees and standing organisational structures within the Labour Party and the wider movement.

What in reality is there to be impressed about?

The proof of the pudding will be in the eating whenever that commences.

Whats that got to do with anything grandad. Does the lib dems failure invalidate labour's failure.

Well, anniebach many on here predicted that they and a large section of the electorate would turn from Labour to the Lib Dems at the last election as never would the Liberals have a greater opportunity to breakthrough.

Now.....I have some difficulty in recalling what happened in that regard? ?

Corbyn won 2 leadership elections, lost 2 general elections ,

Momentum and the unions wanted him but the country didn’t

Definitely impressed so far.

I know Grandad, the working class and the PLP just needed to think like you do, its all our fault, you are just waiting for us to catch up.

Galaxy, the Parliamentary Labour Party has been a fractious waste of space for the last decade. That was brought about by the those on the right of the Parliamentary Party who never accepted Corbyn's being elected as leader despite him winning two leader election victories overwhelmingly.

Had all got behind Corbyn following those victories rather than undermining him at every opportunity things may well have been very different.

Sadly those chickens may come home to roost through Kier Starmer's leadership term.

The LP with Keir Starmer and his front bench is already a more effective Party that it ever was under Corbyn.

How does one speak out privately? Why did they ‘speak out
privately’ ?

And still never ever take responsibility for those lost elections. Would rather blame someone who was in power 14 years ago.

It may have escaped many people's notice that trade union membership is climbing again after many years of declining membership figures.

That turnaround has been brought about by the actions the leading unions have taken in the courts against companies using Gig Economy terms of employment against its workers, and by way of that action, recruitment is high in that category of employees.

The above has been achieved without any political help from the Parliamentary Labour Party whatsoever with only Corbyn and McDonald speaking out privately in congratulation of the achievement.

So now there are many in the wider Labour movement who are wondering if the Labour Party really needs to be included in its future strategy and the millions of pounds that could be saved by not including it in that strategy.

Voters didn’t trust Corbyn

M0nica I suspect Labour talk to more people that anyone on GN.
The inflluence of Brexit on those elections shouldn't be forgotten. Combined with the distrust Blair left behind him it is a toxic mixture. Add some MSM bias and it is understandable.

Let’s go back to the 60’s and 70’s , strikes, strikes, strikes, which
brought us to the 1983 election and tories in power until
1997.

The way to win is to appeal to voters across the country not
just the north and London.

Sorry, should be 4 elections lost, not 2.

growstuff The reason Labour has lost the last two elections is because the people they think they should be championing have actively decided against voting for them because they didn't like their policies or trust them. This is something the party has yet to recognise.

What Labour needs to do is actually talk to the ordinary man/woman in the street, listen to them and find out what they want instead of just telling them what the Labour party activists have told them they want.

The Parliamentary Labour party belongs to its member both direct and affiliate. Those members have funded the Parliamentary Labour party for well over one hundred years but in the last forty years have received exactly nothing from that endeavour both financial and on the ground.

The next General Election is in all probability at least four years away, so is it any wonder that the wider Labour movement and all those who lead that affiliate membership wish to know what the Parliamentary Labour Party will consist of by way of policies before anyone moves on any further.