Do you beieve Hancock or NHS staff?

Not waiting around here but getting on making and supplying as much as we can both in small and large businesses and the general public. Doing an amazing job. I can’t sew or knit but have donated late MIL’s button tin.

Very few governments were fully prepared and ready but most are doing their best. My US health forum friends are very nervous as already in debt for copayment for their cancer treatment and now worrying how much the virus will cost them on top if they succumb.

I am concerned that it has now hit Africa and they are in a very serious position.

There will be all kinds of enquiries but not sure who would have done a better job. Certainly not labour who’ve been too busy squabbling, jostling and seemingly attempting to destroy any credibility in their party.

Of course there are shortages, on and off, day by day, in various hospitals. Ten days ago, the government amended (downgraded) the regulations to ameliorate the situation.

Now, it's fine to wear the same protective gear for a complete ward round (great, who cares?). There were warnings to not 'waste' stuff too.

Yet we're told that the situation is under control. Utter rubbish - political damage limitation at it's best. If in doubt, lie through your teeth. They must believe the public are idiots!

It’s not just the UK in a mess with PPE.
America, for example, has also been busy selling their stock to China as it was a “great business opportunity”

apple.news/AYZfEkqo9SrixBw3U0Eu6GQ

Never mind CleoPanda. The day can only get better!
PS. Is it true that pandas only eat bamboo?

Not “people” - person.

@growstuff - in response to your criticism of my earlier post- you clearly did not read all the posts. Yes, people have said that all politician lie. Quote”-“All politicians lie (other than the one who has just stepped down). I don't believe any of them.”
Which was posted early on here.
You clearly have your incredibly strong and biased opinions and are unwilling to change an iota. I’ve known many people who are totally secure in their own opinions and refuse to consider other views or standpoints. Maybe you are as popular as they were?
Some people are happy to try to see other views and actually consider them. Others know they can never be wrong.

Presumably some has been used and some has passed its "sell by" date and hasn't been replaced.

Where the heck has it gone??

The Guardian has shown that the stockpile of emergency equipment in case of a pandemic has been reduced by nearly 40% over the last six years.
www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/12/revealed-value-of-uk-pandemic-stockpile-fell-by-40-in-six-years?CMP=share_btn_fb&fbclid=IwAR3EGYers9RKbQg-wezvh7sL2yQs3ecT4sURQBbL1V31Wi3ixE7_qZeeQ6o

Avalon It is totally unacceptable that there is anything wrong with the supply chain in any areas. This isn't some kind of lottery game.

Hancock has made promises in the past (40 new hospitals, 50,000 new nurses) and now 100,000 tests and goodness know how many ventilators. One missed target/broken promise is unfortunate, but a history of them is something else.

He and the chief nurse person lied to the public about why they couldn't answer the question about how many NHS staff have died. Even when he was forced to give a figure, he lied about the actual number, which is actually at least double the number he gave - and rising.

OK Shelmiss I made a mistake. One poster claimed everybody not on the front line lies. I certainly don't think every politician lies - and I suspect many other posters feel the same as I do. However, some politicians and their advisors certainly do lie and/or avoid telling the truth. They need to be held to account because it undermines trust, which is sorely needed at the moment.

I'm not sure whom "apart from one...obvs" refers to.

grannyactivist I suppose that might work if medics had very long arms .

Well said patcaf.

NHS staff, definitely.

Yes, FarNirth. I believe HIM.

Thanks FarNorth what a dreadful situation.

Recent tweet from a doctor :

"As a frontline NHS Oncology Doctor
With coronavirus
Because I had no protection
Racked with guilt I may have put patients at risk
STOP YOUR HYPOCRITICAL APPLAUDING AND GIVE US THE EQUIPMENT AND TESTS WE NEED
I have never been so tired angry & utterly ashamed of this Govt."

@patcaf ?

The NHS staff. I have worked in NHS procurement. It is not complex and it is not new. Picking packs for hospitals by size and location is actually very simple. Hospital logistics is very well run and there are hundreds of couriers available at the moment. It is either not there or it has been centralized and it is sheer incompetence. I saw someone said the NHS managers would not lie. Believe you me they will lie about anything to maintain their positions.

Politicians may be doing their best but unfortunately their best is proving to be insufficient by a huge margin. Doing your best is an excuse for children not for senior politicians in a crisis.

Shelmiss the claim was that many posters believe all politicians lie.

Would those who feel that the government has done all it can and can't be blamed for ignoring the results of Operation Cygnus offer some evidence to support their argument? As far as I can see from the evidence offered it is clear that the government failed in it's duty to protect the population because it failed to act on the information it had amassed.

In the UK the military are past masters in both long-term storage and logistics. They keep a number of central stores (stockpiles) across the country that are equipped for all eventualities. New stock replenishes the goods that are issued and so items do not go 'out of date'. In an emergency they have the means to respond quickly and with the right equipment in the right place to be accessed as needed.

If a similar model was adopted by the NHS there would be no equipment perishing in stockpiles. Also, if the problem (in part) is that stock are not getting to where it's needed in a timely way, then I'd suggesting let the military take over the logistics rather than just have them haring about the country delivering hither and thither.

Until today (new guidance just been issued) the government advice regarding the need for PPE during patient contact was defined as being within 1 metre of a patient, it has now been revised in line with current good practice to 2 metres.

You can see straight away that the government guidance fell below what nursing staff perceived to be the threat level and why medics would want to wear PPE if they were within 2 metres of patients they're caring for - after all that fits in with government guidance for the general population.

Former BBC journalist John Humphries is claiming that the journalists at the bbc are being told to go easy on ministers.

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/john-humprys-on-bbc-presenters-during-coronavirus-1-6604475

Where did anybody make any of those claims CleoPanda? Nobody has claimed that all politicians lie every time they speak

Erm growstuff...read the second comment on this thread. Page 1. Apparently they nearly all do apart from one...obvs.

Hang on if there is something wrong in the supply chain in some areas how can saying everything is OK not be lying? If he isn't lying does he simply not know what is happening? Is he that incompetent?