Let it go! Let it go! Turn away and slam the door!

It would seem that the situation within the Labour Party grows darker by the day. It is being extensively reported that those named in the released report for their actions in working against the party are now taking up legal action against their employers.

Almost all of the activities that those alleged to have carried out against Corbyn and Formby were recorded on the Labour Party computer system. Therefore the release of that information in the leaked report is a violation of the Data Protection Act

Estimates put the liabilities of the Labour Party in fines and compensation to those named in the report may be as high as eight million pounds. The foregoing figure is not being denied by even the most prominent figures in the parliamentary Labour Party today, and it is being stated that such financial damage would undoubtedly bring bankruptcy to the Labour Party.

I feel that after all that has come about in recent years, months and days none of the affiliate organisations will on this occasion be prepared to put their hands into their pockets to bail the parliamentary Labour Party out.

This is now undoubtedly the greatest crisis in the Labour Parties more than one hundred and twenty year history and may well see the destruction of the party.

Ironically over the years, many have forecast that the left in the Labour movement would bring about the end of the Parliamentary Labour Party. However, it would now seem that it has been the ruthless behaviour of those on the right in Parliament and in their Central Office that has brought that prospect into being.

Many may ask were is Keir Starmer in all this as he has seemingly gone to ground on this issue while all around him his party tears itself apart.

I have been a supporter and subscriber to the Labour Party for nearly fifty-seven years, but as things now stand now I will certainly not be sorry should we witness its end.

Anniebach, in regard to your post @13:57 today, Momentum and far left persons were elected to all the positions they have held and still hold within the Labour Party by way of working within the rules, structure and constitution of the Movement.

However, those at the Labour Party Central Office were EMPLOYED to work on behalf of those who have been elected to their positions and for no other purpose. They have not been elected to their responsibilities and therefore have no mandate to act upon any of their own personal political views.

When those employees, whose salaries are paid from members and affiliated members subscriptions, decide to take it upon themselves to work against those who have been elected and the party in general by way of carrying out often illegal procedures, they become nothing else but Scum, total Scum.

In regard to antisemitism in the Labour Movement, we have all now become aware that Jeremy Corbyn's and Jennie Formby's offices were prevented from dealing with those antisemitic allegations by those employees and others working at Labours Central Office by way of those persons withholding the documentation that both Formby and Corbyn required to fulfil their investigations.

Indeed it may have been that any number of those anti-semitic allegations may have even been created within that Central Office.

However, as it would seem that Keir Starmer has yet to give any details of when his announced "review" of the above situation is to begin, or who will be overseeing that review, none of the above can be fully assessed or brought to a fully examined conclusion.

Many of those who it is alleged were involved in the actions at Central office are still remaining and working in their posts without even being suspended while the "review" is carried out.

Starmer by his lack of action in this matter is proving to be a weak and ineffectual leader, especially when he states he wishes to see an end to factionalism within the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Well Said Grandad1943 And nightowl I hope K Starmer will deal with those who wanted to stop a socialist J Corbyn government.

The far left and momentum worked hard at getting elected MP’s booted out. I don’t recall Corbyn devotees speaking against this. Or a MP who was a Jew needed police protection
to attend the party conference. Or Corbyn shaking hands with
Momentum member who verbally abused a Jewish MP and reduced her to tears.

Good heavens *Gtrandad1943, you imagine I have far more knowledge of the inner workings of the Labour party than I do.

In fact I haven't a clue what you are talking about. I merely said he was elected leader, fullstop. which he was, but was not the most successful leader the Labour Party.

M0nica, in regard to your post @16:34 today, are you trying to excuse what those at the Labour Party Central Office have carried out ???????????

In my book, anyone who tries to excuse that action cannot believe in democracy or the rule of law.

The members of the Labour Party and its affiliate members voted overwhelmingly for Corbyn to become its leader. It was then the DUTY of all the employees and others at Central Office to get fully behind that election verdict and the elected Parliamentary Leader.

i quite agree he was legally elected with much support. the only explanation is that the collective mind of the Labour party went AWOl or they all ate magic mushrooms, but that he was other than an unmitigated disaster for the party is incontestable. Never before have so many core voters (the people who really matter) voted against the party they have given their lifetimes to supporting.

Even then the Great Leader was talking about 'an election lost but an argument won' ??????????????????????????????????????

M0nica, whatever anyone thinks in regard to Jerremy Corbyn he was elected with the largest majority ever obtained in a Labour Party leadership election.

There were then employees and others at Labours Central Office who decided they would not accept the result of that election and therefore took it upon themselves to work against Corbyn even to the extent of functioning to bring about the loss of the 2017 General Election to the Party.

As to what happens now with the Parliamentary Labour Party, in the short term that may well depend on key figures such as Jennie Formby the General Secretary of the entire Labour movement.

In the long term, the organisation and functioning of the Parliamentary Party was already under discussion by the broader Labour movement and that discussion will now obviously be stepped up by that body and within that, there are several scenarios which may come about.

However, I feel their is far worse to come out of this report, but that information cannot be released at this time as illegal acts may be involved with prosecutions yet to come.

I have never been abl to bring myself to vote for either of the main parties, althugh I have come closer to voting Labour than Conservative.

MOnica, I can appreciate how Labour supporters may feel that way. I don't agree, but that is irrelevant.

I don't get why Tory voters keep banging on that's all.

Given the racism (towards Abbot - I don't believe there is any anti-semitism, it was a straw man to weaken the party), the infighting and the lies told within the Labour party I am very disinclined to support them at the moment. I WILL vote for them, because I know the Tories are worse (only appeal to their own interests and the interests of the 'haves' in society, strip the country of its assets to line wealthy pockets even further).

Corbyn wasn't corrupt. He is a good, dedicated politician. BUT he's gone. Onwards, if not upwards. I don't envy Kier the work he has ahead of him. No doubt he'll be attacked as JC was from inside and have his integrity trashed by the corrupt opposition.

I would also add that the comments made about Diane Abbott in particular, and the harassment she experienced which is evident from emails and messages shared between these disgusting individuals were beyond vile. They showed themselves to be racist, misogynistic and thoroughly without morals. As the leader of a party supposedly committed to fighting discrimination and injustice wherever it occurs Keir Starmer surely has to condemn these words and actions without reservation.

Gagajo It is PTSD. caused by having such an inadequte person leading a major party for so long. On a par with Anne Widdicombe being leader of the Consevatives. Yes, I know, you shudder at the thought and think nobody ever would elect her as a leader of anything. Except that Labour did the equivalent and Corbyn still has many supporters left.

People keep harping about it because it keeps playing through their minds, again and again and again and......... What has been done to a previous great and proud party and how on earth did it happen and how can they make sure it never happens again.

MaizieD the report is eight hundred and sixty pages in length. All there are available at the present time are leaked sections that have been given to the press.

However, Jonh McDonald and others are calling for the document to be handed over in full to the Equality and Human Rights Commission along with simultaneous full release to the public.

I believe it could only be Jennie Formby's office who could authorise such an action as the report encompasses activities across all the Labour movement and not just the Parliamentary Labour Party.

No-one has a link to the actual report?

night owl, many thanks for your post @10:28 today, at last someone on the forum has called this situation exactly as it is.

As John John McDonald has pointed out there are claimed wrongdoings on all sides in regard to the antisemitism allegations.

However, as the Jeremy Corbyn and Jennie Formby offices were attempting to resolve those issues there were employees and others at Labours Central Office deliberately holding back documentation that both the above offices urgently required.

To add to the above, it is alleged that money was fraudulently moved to prominent anti Corbyn MPs at election time to aid their campaigns so as to create an impression that those right-wing candidates received better support than those on the left.

However, to then think that those same persons at Central office then actively campaigned against a labour victory in the 2017 election campaign is just simply unbelievable.

There are rumours within the Unite Union that Jennie Formby is on the verge of resigning as General Secretary over all that has happened and returning to a position within the Unite Union.

The above would be understandable following her having just beaten cancer and now to have all the above on land in her office. As a very large Unite Union branch we have sent to her asking her to remain in position as that could help ensure the future of the Parliamentary Labour Party which I feel is now in great doubt at this present time.

Starmer needs to get a grip and to come out actively in full support of Formby rather than preaching on the lockdown to which he can have no effect on due to the actions of those in his own Central Office.

Granddad I agree with every word you have written. I am furious and heartbroken that these self-serving individuals’ only agenda was to destroy Jeremy Corbyn and the socialist element of the party and to that end they were actively working to prevent a labour victory at the 2017 election. If Keir Starmer does not speak out more strongly and suspend the individuals named pending his independent enquiry then he will lose all credibility in my eyes. I am particularly disgusted that two of these individuals; Emilie Oldknow and John Stolliday, now occupy senior positions in my old union, Unison. Not only that but Unison’s general secretary Dave Prentis has said they have his full backing. Disgraceful. I have read some of the comments in Emilie Oldknow’s emails and they are vile.

Democracy within the party, democracy in the party vanish
when Corbyn became leader.

Blue Sapphire in regard to your above post, no one can now state or has ever been able to state that Momentum or any other section on the left of the Labour Party "broke the law" in anything they carried out while achieving their positions in the Labour party.

However, there now seems to be ever-growing evidence that right factions in the Labour Party who have consistently accused the left of any number of misdeeds have themselves acted in a way that is below contempt in regard to democracy within the party. They have also possibly acted illegally in regard to equality, financial fraud, workplace grievance and disciplinary legislation, and human rights.

Personally, I hope if what is alleged in the released document is correct then those referred too in that report finish up in the slammer.

For they are nothing short of utter slime.

Most of late DH's cousins were/are far left Corbynistas, and I was shocked to read some of the comments I saw on FB that one of two of them shared about Boris when he was in intensive care. Not original posts but sharing some of the most vitriolic comments I have ever read.
And I see no reason to mention Corbyn, he's gone. Neither have I seen any recent posts about him.

John McDonnell has joined growing numbers of prominent figures in the Labour movement calling on Keir Starmer to "go further" in his response to a leaked internal report on the conduct Labour's Central Office employees and officials. McDonald is claiming large numbers of "angry" members are leaving the party as a result of its contents.

Going further than any other Senior Elected member of the party, McDonnell called for the immediate suspension of some current and former staff and others named in the document, pending the results of the independent investigation instigated by the new party leader.

The dossier, which was leaked at the weekend, claimed factional hostility towards Jeremy Corbyn contributed to Labour's ineffective handling of antisemitism complaints.

The former shadow chancellor further stated the document should be provided to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission investigation into the party "warts and all", adding: "I think the truth has got to come out.

Should the document be provided to the Equalities and Human Rights Commission then prosecutions could follow in regard to what is alleged to have been carried out.

I find it ironic that those who accused members on left of the party (such as those within Momentum) of destroying Labours electability are now to be seen as those who may have now completely destroyed the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Just Unelected Total Two Faced Bast*rds

To return to the main theme of the thread, Iain McNicol has now stepped down as the Labour Party leader in the House of Lords due to the release of the report on the actions of staff in the Labour party Central Office.

Apparently, McNicol is repeatedly referred to in the eight hundred and fifty-page document especially in regard to his position of General Secretary in the period from 2015 until 2018 when at that time he was relieved of the position.

Much in the report also refers to the continuation beyond the above date of the disgusting actions of members of staff at Central Office with staff in both Corbyn's and Jenny Formby's offices being referred to in highly derogatory personal terms.

By example, Corbyn's chief of staff, Karie Murphy is referred to as “Medusa”, “crazy”, and a “bitch face cow”. There is much more in equal to the above example in the report which without a doubt marks an all-time low in the history of the Parliamentary Labour Party.

Starmer has announced an "independent review" into the matter, but he seems more interested in how the report came to be released into the public domain rather than what is in its substance.

Len McCluskey, the general secretary of the Unite union, condemned the “rancid, and very cruel, political culture” exposed in the report, and called for officials implicated in the report to be suspended from the party.

McCluskey speaking out on the issue at this early stage demonstrates, I feel, the pressure he must be coming under from his senior activists by way of their disgust at the Central Office employee actions to which members of the Unite Union contribute to their salaries.

Therefore there will be no turning away and slamming of the door on the Jeremy Corbyn period as Leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party for a substantial period of time to come.

Indeed, this report may turn out to be the first epitaph written on this shambles of a political party.

Link to a Guardian report on the issue can be found here:-

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/apr/15/labour-must-turn-its-back-on-factionalism-says-keir-starmer

Probably callistemon must admit I’m beginning to miss going out to eat, the theatre I’m missing all the bluebells in some woods we visit every year, I’m missing the glory that is spring, with all the new leaves and bird song.etc. I am lucky to have a garden and should be grateful for small measures. Must give myself a talking to.
Only another unspecified weeks to go.☹️ Hey ho.

Whitewave it's this isolation.
I wasn't being touchy at all, just thought you had misunderstood.
My parents were quite laissez-faire when I think about it.

growstuff and me

callistemon actually I sound a bit touchy in that post. Please ignore it???