At last a fully functioning opposition

So now you want to tell another political party how to organise itself?

You couldn't make it up!

Well with many in the Labour Party Central Office and elsewhere working against their own leadership the LibDem Party had the ultimate opportunity to make a real breakthrough in the last General Election.

However, what happened, they ran the biggest shambles of an election campaign there has ever been in modern history. Even a LibDem internal equity report now acknowledges the above was very much the case with even their own Leader losing her seat in that shambles of an election.

The above stated, we have had on this forum constantly since December those that were so fervent in support of the Liberal Democrats prior to that election telling those of us who supported the Labour Party how we should organise and run that party into the future.

To them, I would state, help sort out the problems in the party that you people were so committed to before matters went so badly wrong. Also along with the foregoing, sort out what are your true political beliefs and stand by them even when at times the party that most hold your so-called principles is not doing so well.

We do not hear a word on this forum in regard to the LibDem problems which demonstrates that the true values of there supposed supporters are shallow and guided by "which way the political wind in the UK is blowing on any particular day".

Link to the above report can be found here:-
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/lib-dem-general-election-campaign-report-jo-swinson-brexit-a9517721.html

It seems to me that the Tories are really missing Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell and Seamus MIlne. None of the rest of us are.

trisher, unfortunately I have wasted some of my precious time listening to him in the past few years.
On the back benches now, he will still be an occasional thorn in the PLP’s side, but that’s it.

Jeremy Corbyn, John McDonnell, Seamus Milne, Momentum!
Not vote winners with ordinary people, you know, people with out degrees, run of the mill people!

If you keep telling people they are stupid they will vote for someone else. I am not sure how much clearer that message could be.

Jabberwok were they perceived as communists? Now where would that idea have come from?

There are none so blind as those who can't or won't see. The reason Labour lost the recent election was because of Jeremy Corbyn and his shadow cabinet who were perceived as communists by a good proportion of the population! K.S should fare a lot better as he clearly doesn't carry this threat and frankly is lot more palatable to ordinary people as was Tony Blair. If Labour wants to win elections these are the people ordinary folk will vote for, not perceived extremists.

lemon your judgement of Corbyn is as biased as Annies. I wonder have you ever read or listened to anything he actually said or did or is your opinion entirely based on MSM reports?

I don’t think he was the Saviour that you imagined him to be
MaizieD either.
He ruined things for Labour......voters saw through him and turned away in droves.

Yes agree MaizieD ha I don't think I'll bother again ha ha

I wouldn't bother, Grany. Annie isn't going to change her mind. It's been firmly made up for 4 years. Corbyn is spawn of the devil...

Yes but it shows she did not campaign hard for remain at the time compared to Jeremy Corbyn.

Grany Theresa May wasn’t party leader at that time

Blame Corbyn? What about Theresa May's self-serving non-campaign?

Read this Annie or carry on believing what you heard.

anotherangryvoice.blogspot.com/2016/07/blame-corbyn-what-about-theresa-mays.html

It was Keir Starmer who went above Party line

Corbyn wanted to strike a balance as agreed, to support policy at ADC

water under bridge see how Starmer fares has to be Better than BoJo

Tedious repetitive minutiae about Corbyn and his failings ( both real and imagined) is as relevant in the current circumstances as discussing whether the combustion engine will ever replace the horse. And much much much more boring

Corbyn did not campaign up and down the country, he
refused to take part in the tv debates and even went on
holiday during the campaign.

It was of little relevance whether Corbyn was a remainer or a Brexiteer, as his role was to support the policy laid out by the Annual Delegate conference, which he did.

Any other approach by the Labour Movement was unserviceable as to support remain outright and Labour would lose all support in the North of England, or to support leave in the South of England and Labour would lose a vast majority of support in that region.

However, Brexit is now all "water under the bridge" and the United Kindom has now taken leave of it's European Union membership. As someone who fervently supported the remain cause I now believe that all should now "get behind" that fact and endeavour to make the best of that situation for the sake of all who reside in Britain.

Anything else will be economically disastrous especially in the unprecedented circumstances that the world now finds itself in.

Anyway, time I started work once again.

But he didn’t did he grany that was the biggest issue. It was put out that he was trying to strike a balance, but the strategy never worked just as so many said it wouldn’t.

Corbyn is a brexiter and in my view he was less than honest in his various assertions.

Corbyn campaigned vigorously for remain up and down the country and TV so why don't you believe him

John Crace in top form.

Talking about how little preparation Johnson does, and the fact that he is not neatly so bright as his PR likes to suggest. Starmer a top QC is finding it all too easy.

Crace rather thought that “give it time and Boris may well cut to the chase and just plead guilty in advance to save himself the torture of answering 6 questions”

“We have Boris. Incompetent, unprepared, selfish, lazy, amoral and just not that bright”

Unfortunately for the country

“Boris will remain PM for the duration”

That was always going to be the case. My point is that Corbyn want honest and I put my faith in him because of his assertion that he was a remainer. Wasn't true was it?

Whitewavemark2, the Brexit problem that existed for the whole Labour movement was that in the North of England there were many traditional Labour voters who were in favour of Brexit while in the South of England there were many traditional Labour voters who were totally against Brexit.

The above was never bridgable as the outcome of the general election demonstrated.

It was as simple as that.

No grandad we were absolutely aware that the conference could hardly be ignored by Corbyn, but no leader could have been more Luke warm than Corbyn. I was willing to go along for months to believe put out by the left that Corbyn was playing the long game etc over brexit. But it simply wasn’t true and he was less than honest in my opinion.

As a firm remainer I could never have supported him if he had been entirely honest. I thought that he was being honest but he wasn’t.

MayBee70, in regard to your post @00:06 today, it is being alleged in the leaked report that antisemitism could not be dealt with by Jeremy Corbyn or Jennie Formby as employees at the Labour party Central Office prevented that from happening.

By example to the above, it is alleged that one right wing Labour MP placed over two hundred antisemitism allegations before the offices of both Corbyn and Formby. However, when Central Office were requested for further information on those that were alleged to have carried out the above, the employees within Central Office deliberately withheld that information.

In regard to Brexit policy, Corbyn upheld throughout his time as leader the policy laid down by the Labour Pary Annual Delegate Conference which is the supreme policy making body for the whole Labour movement.

But of course, Britain's right-wing media did not wish the electorate to be aware of that fact while Corbyn was the leader of the Parliamentary Labour Party.