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GabriellaG54 Sat 25-Apr-20 10:33:04

Hello people ??
Well, good news or good news?
According to today's updates, government is thinking about letting us each choose up to 10 close family or/and friends to share childcare, eat meals together and socialise within the home.
Nicola S has also made the same noises and a dafter idea I never heard.
Some noses will definitely be put out of joint. Cries of discrimination heard from those whose family are abroad or they themselves are stuck abroad (Urmstongran for one)
Police will never in a million years be able to check which 10 you have nominated (and you have to keep to the same 10 people, no changes)
The 10 you nominate may not be the 10 your son or friends would nominate but all those gathered cannot see anyone outside that group IYSWIM as you are locked into the same people.
Will there be a travel distance limit? Will under 5s count as 1 of your 10?... babies?...teens?
How will transporting children to share childcare work out?
There will be NO outside gatherings.
Far far too many questions and no concrete answers.
Like trying to keep water in a net.
They might as well let us all mingle and have done with it.
Something else for us to huff n puff over.
They think it will take a week or two to give definitive 'orders'.
Talk amongst yourselves...coffee anyone?
???

Bossyrossy Sat 25-Apr-20 16:17:31

Mr Rossy and I would not have a problem choosing the same five, Gabriella, and those five would be in agreement. Anyone left out would be ok with that because they would understand why we had to have a limit. Why should we have to remain in isolation because some people are going to squabble over who to include in their group.

ExD Sat 25-Apr-20 14:59:03

Surely people working in key jobs (eg nurses) are already in little 'bubbles' of up to 10 people? If each of those nurses goes off and joins a family bubble of 10 people that's 100 people exposed to a potentially fatal illness?
I was never an expert mathematician but that's how I'm seeing it.

Toadinthehole Sat 25-Apr-20 14:52:23

We’ve been cycling the same route for the last 5 weeks. Since the last lockdown measures were put in place, the numbers of cars on the road, and people out and about, has steadily increased. It always will no matter what laws are put in place. People can’t be contained forever. No matter what anyone’s view, that is reality.

GabriellaG54 Sat 25-Apr-20 14:47:29

Ok Bossyrossy
You choose 5 and your OH chooses 5 named people.
Will you agree?
Will any of those 10 want to include you two in their 10?
Will the wider families of your 10 (in-laws, step-children if any) want to be excluded and choose friends to join their bubble?
It's a minefield, one which cannot possibly be policed.
Better to have a free for all.
Wouldn't you be irked if neighbours had all and sundry round and you were stuck seeing the same 10? Don't tell me you wouldn't care.

Bossyrossy Sat 25-Apr-20 14:34:13

Of course there would be some people who would try to take advantage and bend the rules but they are probably doing that already. I see no reason why those of us who would obey the rules and limit the number of family that we see should suffer continuing isolation for the sake of a few idiots.

pensionpat Sat 25-Apr-20 14:04:28

GagaJo. When I closed my door on 20th March our lockdown was for 12 weeks. No health problems. But aged 70+. I’ve seen no change to that for us.

Ellianne Sat 25-Apr-20 13:56:29

Yes, my cousin in New Zealand lives alone and is now allowed to go out with a sibling or a vulnerable person. They are reducing from level 4 to level 3 next week, but that is a completely different country from the UK.
Yes, it is good news that family contact is being taken seriously but I fear people will make up the rules as they go along.
Even better news in my part of the country is that the 200 bed Nightingale hospital on an exhibition site is now not going ahead because it was deemed there just wouldn't be enough enough cases. They are now converting a smaller DIY store instead. A glimmer of hope.

Lucca Sat 25-Apr-20 13:46:20

For people who have mentioned New Zealand. I started a thread about this and I have since said that I was mistaken in some of the information. They have been doing the bubble thing already but it is only between two households within 50metres of each other. For those who don’t have close family someone is nominated to help out elderly etc.

eazybee Sat 25-Apr-20 13:38:45

I worked it out with my small family: me, two adult children, two partners with two parents and one sibling each, two step-children plus their mother and partner and their parents and I think I reached about eighteen, before I gave up, all living locally. I know there are great-grandparents as well, not to mention close friends.
Can't see how it can work.
There is a definite loosening of restrictions; B&Q open, garden refuse being collected next week; my hairdresser making tentative bookings for the future. Hope it isn't all too soon, but I appreciate people being desperate to get back to earning money. Pensioners, over seventies, do have a guaranteed income so it is fairer if we are the ones to continue isolating.

GabriellaG54 Sat 25-Apr-20 12:44:01

I did not say that NS proposes such an exercise. I did say that she is 'making the same noises', which, if our government mouthpieces are anything to go by, means that interference (such as that snowing effect on old TVs) will make a nonsense of any meaningful dialogue.

ginny Sat 25-Apr-20 12:12:05

So, which of my Daughters and her family shall I leave out ? Will they choose to see us or their In-laws ? Do we include DH’s mother or choose a very dear friend ? If I choose someone who lives 500 miles away , shall I drive to se him/her.
Totally unworkable.

Fiachna50 Sat 25-Apr-20 12:05:33

This will never work. People will take the p***,the same as some are doing with the 'exercise' and supposed lockdown which judging by the amount of cars on the road seems to be getting less strict by the day. I hope we don't end up with another peak the way things are going. The situation is not being taken seriously and many seem to be treating it like a holiday.

GrannySomerset Sat 25-Apr-20 11:58:19

I fear that by the time the family could choose to include me in their bubble I will have become such a miserable old bat that they won’t want me!

Eglantine21 Sat 25-Apr-20 11:58:01

If we can get the infection rate down and if we can get a tracking app for most of the population then expanding your cluster of contacts should be viable.

But first we haveto get the infection rate down and that means continuing to isolate.

Oopsminty Sat 25-Apr-20 11:54:08

Another thought is what if we don't make the cut of one of our chosen fews cluster?

Younger adults may be desperate to see their friends

I think it could cause upset

MawB Sat 25-Apr-20 11:52:58

I believe everyone should just be patient and wait to see what will actually be announced

Very true Grandad -but have you ever heard of that happening on GN? hmm

MawB Sat 25-Apr-20 11:50:45

Fair do’s GabriellaG - I await the responses with bated breath!

Harris27 Sat 25-Apr-20 11:43:36

Aw just to see my sons and grandkids bliss!

Jabberwok Sat 25-Apr-20 11:37:52

You know me Annie ??!!

Anniebach Sat 25-Apr-20 11:31:27

I don’t know 10 people

Callistemon Sat 25-Apr-20 11:31:03

The 12 weeks Stay at Home is for those who were advised by letter that they are in the shielded category.
It goes up to 16th June but what happens after that is not yet known, we have to wait to see what evolves.

Chestnut Sat 25-Apr-20 11:28:44

It's just bonkers. Aren't they saying two households of up to 10 people? I can't see that changes anything for us as there are too many separate households involved in our families (including in-laws). And it can only increase the risk for oldies if they mix with the rest of the family.

Callistemon Sat 25-Apr-20 11:28:01

When it has peaked and, if restrictions are lifted, it does not mean it will have gone away, just that, as Grandad says, the NHS will be in a better position to cope with the numbers.

It may be that lockdown would be eased as long as people observe strict social distancing rules.

Toadinthehole Sat 25-Apr-20 11:27:45

That would suit us, and we KNOW we would stick to it. There’s always going to be an element of people who break the law whatever, but I think the governments plan for this.

GagaJo Sat 25-Apr-20 11:26:47

I think two things.

1) Lockdown should probably continue for 3 months in total. I can't remember where I read the 12 week figure at the beginning of lockdown, but it seemed sensible and is now fixed in my head (possibly irrationally).

2) AFTER the 12 weeks, yes, maybe Bubble Theory. It relies on trust of the population, but then to be honest, the idiots are still being idiots now. The sensible ones will do it properly.