The honeymoon will be shorter than most

Anyway, it's par for the course isn't it that besides Labour being economical with the truth, their supporters follow suit too.? As it's the Labour voters that are doing all the spouting grousing. The Guardian readers of this world.

The government via taxpayers, why ? Do you also expect them to go out purchasing items needed for the hospitals too, Summerlove ?

The government weren't responsible for " a lack of PPE " at all, though those of you who have a distinct misunderstanding of financial management within each hospital will still keep repeating the same old thing in chorus---" it's the government's fault ", even when £140 billion has already been spread amongst the NHS. It's then down to hospital management and their NHS departments to order as required.

....who gives the hospitals their budget?

EllanVannin, I do wish you'd get your facts straight instead of repeating the same old rubbish. You are applying normal rules to an abnormal, emergency situation.

The government, under emergency measures, is entirely responsible for ensuring the safety of citizens. They have failed abysmally.

Despite an entire Civil Service section applied to emergency planning, despite Operation Cygnus, they've managed to screw things up - not easily done!

Thankyou maddyone and to all other ladies who acknowledged my post. It's much appreciated.

Good posts white wave. You were asked what you would have done and you answered comprehensively !

EllanVannin
Very good post at 15.48 today.

There was and is a dearth of PPE - it should have been stockpiled as part of pandemic preparations; and wasn't. That is the government's fault and nothing at all to do with individual health budgets.

Blame is not a "game" - it is about analysing what has gone on and hoping that the government will learn from it. There have been many mistakes - not least the sort of short-term money saving mind-set that has got us in this fix, not just with pandemic planning, but in many other areas of preventive work in the community.

We are all sensible enough to realise that a pandemic is an exceptional circumstance and any government of whatever shade is going to struggle with it - but it is what has gone before that is exacerbating the situation: lack of funding of public services, short term thinking, and letting pandemic planning slide down the agenda and priority list to the point of ignoring scientific advice.

The blame for these long term failures lies squarely at the government's door.

opps

Indeed.

janipat will get back to you but must finish film first

oops I’m so sorry. I will put my hand up and declare I didn’t read your link.

Must try harder

It has been very clearly documented that there have been many mistakes in the lack of preparation for, and dealing with this pandemic by the UK government. There has also been lack of transparency in reasons behind the government's decision making.
I believe it is important to draw attention to these failings, because this will undoubtedly not be the last pandemic to hit us, and undoubtedly will lead to a Public Inquiry. If it goes the way of many previous Public Inquiries, ie a whitewash, nothing will change.
The public needs to be aware and make sure that does not happen.

WWMK2 I am not arguing that the UK government has done anything like enough, soon enough, but when you present a table of figures like yours you just void your argument. You are not comparing like with like, where are the @FT figures for all the rest of the countries you list?

oops I’m so sorry. I will put my hand up and declare I didn’t read your link. I am watching a good film.

One thing at a time??

Being positive doesn't achieve anything, if it ignores or distorts facts.

It has to be primary school level. They're dealing with LCDs (mathematical rather than techie ones).

Thank you for posting the FT figures I was just going to post them.

Are you thanking yourself for posting the FT figures, WW2?

You just posted them at 17.46

Doppelganger?

France testing 700000 a week.

Thank you for posting the FT figures I was just going to post them.

Exactly what is says. If you don’t understand perhaps it is pitched just right

How very mature of you!

And the FT figures are an estimate in case you were unaware.

www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

heath480
Hospitals are run completely differently to how they were 40 or 50years ago.We cannot compare to how we did it then,it is not helpful

I completely agree with this statement. The opinion of What we did in my day is often rose tinted. But then I've heard it all before. It was being said in the 70s and I still hear it being said now.
Not helpful at all

Obviously extrapolated figures, from when ?

I think you're the one making detrimental personal comments Ww2! At times you're almost unbelievable!

sarah you see if people can provide evidence that disputes my assertions, I am very happy to withdraw my assertions. But all I get is personal remarks, which I ignore as what is the point if them?

whitewave mark2.
Try positive no matter how much it hurts and what ever your feelings then if you could do better what's holding you back?

Some figures to show how well the government is doing

Exactly what is says. If you don’t understand perhaps it is pitched just right