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Jane43 Fri 01-May-20 14:57:04

Very interesting thank you, it’s interesting to see quotes from people I have looked up to over the years, Noam Chomsky, Dostoyevsky, Ed Murrow and Stephen Hawking. My Mum was a huge fan of Ed Murrow, I wonder what he would have to say about President Trump?

Grany Fri 01-May-20 11:48:41

Yes good thinkers political philosophy. The wise who speak out for humanity.

I like these thoughts ideas and the comments that follows

trisher Thu 30-Apr-20 19:58:44

I knew about the book for a long time but it was comparitively recently that I learned about her involvement with France and the Revolution. She lived an amazing life I agree about her death and her daughter.

GagaJo Thu 30-Apr-20 19:30:52

Oh Mary Wollstonecraft trisher! I wanted to do my thesis on her but was steered away, I think because my supervisor was sick of reading undergrad work on her.

Phenomenal woman. Tragically ironic that the first feminist should die from the effects of childbirth, living the infant Mary Shelley without a mother.

Dinahmo Thu 30-Apr-20 18:52:47

Trisher it really is quite amazing how MW had such thoughts in the 18th Century and many people don't accept them now.

trisher Thu 30-Apr-20 14:07:04

Thanks for all of these. Mary Wollstonecraft
Slavery to monarchs and ministers, which the world will be long freeing itself from, and whose deadly grasp stops the progress of the human mind, is not yet abolished
And
Only that education deserves emphatically to be termed cultivation of the mind which teaches young people how to begin to think.

MaizieD Thu 30-Apr-20 13:56:24

He doesn't have to say anything intelligent, Nana3. Don't we all know that by now?

All he has to do is be bouncy and optimistic. I expect the baby will get thrown into the mix, too. Absolute winner...

Nana3 Thu 30-Apr-20 13:16:30

*GagaJo . My thanks too and for follow up contributions.
I will be listening to Johnson this afternoon, I won't be holding my breath to hear anything wise, I believe and hope it will be the end of his political career if he says nothing intelligent to impress the nation.

MaizieD Thu 30-Apr-20 11:42:19

Hannah Arendt comes to mind.

"The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist." ― Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism

I find this one so dreadfully apt for our situation over the past few years.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 30-Apr-20 11:38:20

Good gaga takes me back a few years?

Dinahmo Thu 30-Apr-20 10:42:44

Gagajo Thank you for the above. I too agree with the sentiments expressed and also with "Cindersdad". A breath of fresh air after some of the other threads.

Do you have any quotes from women thinkers or writers? I'm busy at the moment but will try to find some later on.

Cindersdad Thu 30-Apr-20 09:30:45

I largely agree with the sentiments expressed but like many feel disempowered especially in lock down. My views are sometimes seen as extreme . I firmly believe that I am right about Brexit (a total cock up) that has inevitably made COVID-19 in the UK worse.

However individual rantings and petitions are ignored by those in power. What can we do? Hope a public enquiry at some time in the future will bring the guilty to account.

When I was working I was often right about company policy but as my MD said "No one enjoys hearing 'I told you so'".

GagaJo Wed 29-Apr-20 13:38:20

Found this online and thought it was interesting. NONE of them are my words.

[In] Democratic societies ... the state can't control behavior by force. It can to some extent, but it's much more limited in its capacity to control by force. Therefore, it has to control what you think. ... One of the ways you control what people think is by creating the illusion that there's a debate going on, but making sure that that debate stays within very narrow margins. Namely, you have to make sure that both sides in the debate accept certain assumptions, and those assumptions turn out to be the propaganda system. As long as everyone accepts the propaganda system, then you can have a debate.
—Noam Chomsky

"The main thing is that you stop telling lies to yourself. The one who lies to himself and believes his own lies comes to a point where he can distinguish no truth either within himself or around him, and thus enters into a state of disrespect towards himself and others. Respecting no one, he loves no one, and to amuse and divert himself in the absence of love he gives himself up to his passions and to vulgar delights and becomes a complete animal in his vices, and all of it from perpetual lying to other people and himself. "
—Fyodor Dostoyevsky

"No one can terrorize a whole nation, unless we are all his accomplices."
Edward R. Murrow

US broadcast journalist & newscaster (1908 - 1965)
"Thought that is silenced is always rebellious. Majorities, of course, are often mistaken. This is why the silencing of minorities is necessarily dangerous. Criticism and dissent are the indispensable antidote to major delusions."
- Alan Barth

"The real struggle is not between East and West, or capitalism and communism, but between education and propaganda."
—Martin Buber

"The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge."
—Stephen Hawking

"An unconscious people, an indoctrinated people, a people fed only partisan information and opinion that confirm their own bias, a people made morbidly obese in mind and spirit by the junk food of propaganda, is less inclined to put up a fight, ask questions and be skeptical. That kind of orthodoxy can kill a democracy – or worse. "
-Bill Moyers

"There is but one thing of real value - to cultivate truth and justice, and to live without anger in the midst of lying and unjust men. "
—Marcus Aurelius