Will he resign 2

Maybe my optimism will be misplaced. I don’t think so though! Sorry to be such an irritating Pollyanna. I don’t post to wind you up.

I just agree with the belief that 9 times out of 10 our worst fears never materialise so life in the meantime is here to be enjoyed.

Maybe my optimism will be misplaced. I don’t think so though! Sorry to be such an irritating Pollyanna. I don’t post to wind you up.

I just agree with the belief that 9 times out of 10 our worst fears never materialise so life in the meantime is here to be enjoyed.

Urmstongran you are again one hundred percent correct in your post @08:20 today. This whole saga has no been all about saving Cummings from the "wolf pack", it has been as much about Johnson appearing as a strong and unmovable leader in the light of Britain finally withdrawing from all its connections with Europe at the end of this year.

The United Kinkdom will approach the above with as many as five or six million unemployed due to the Covid crisis. The message that Johnson wished to portray to the European Union trade negotiators, and many in his own party, is that no matter how Europe may perceive Britain as being in a weak position in those negotiations due to the foregoing, its government is not one for moving.

If Starmer could not concieve that situation until yesterday, then his powers of political judgment has to be very much open to question.

I should have read that post first!, I think the drift is clear though

ug blimey what is it like in your cloud cuckoo land in Europe?

Post brexit people will finally that they have been lied to and taken as fools.

We are busy heading towards a no deal, and another massive hit to our economy on top the Severe economic due to the virus.

Johnson popularity is at rock bottom now, it will be out of sight post brexit.

Do you really think people are that stupid and lacking in any moral compass, Ug?

It is not over and it never will be, because the relationship between government and governed is an age-old conflict. Individually in this country we are free - nobody's slaves - but collectively we make rules to oil the wheels of liviong together in a crowded country.

"Lessons have been learnt" - but by the many apolitical and law-abiding citizens of the UK who believed (against all odds ) that they could trust our elected representatives to themselves abide honourably by the rules they devise, and to choose advisers who were equally honourable and open. The main lesson is that "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance" and that we must use that vigilance to demand transparency and to examine where the rules come from and who is framing them.

Boris will remain popular once Brexit gets done. It’ll have the bounce-back effect. Especially if there is no extension to the transition.

Sorry, off track.

Back to Cummings and the pandemic.

Good post Grandad. Its worried me that Cummings has had too much power for far too long. I’d hoped that Sajid Javid going would have brought the problems of Cummings power more to the fore but it was swept efficiently under the carpet. At least, hopefully, this debacle will mean he and the PM will tread a little more carefully for a while at least.

I think that people like Starmer realised from the start just how reliant Johnson is on Cummings and the fact that if Cummings falls, Johnson falls. Johnson simply cannot let Cummings go. That is why he has been content to let the media and U.K. voter do the work and weaken Johnson.

That has certainly happened and Johnson will never recover from what has happened to his reputation this week.

The voter now understands that in fact Johnson is pretty dim, that he lies, that contrary to what he sold to the working class in the north his is part of the elite as is his boss. That in fact he is totally amoral showing a willingnesS to do anything to hang onto his raft, even to the extent of gagging scientific officers from providing information at the press thing..

His reputation is in tatters and although he may recover some of it in the coming weeks he will never get back to his original popularity. The trust is entirely gone.

They may have appeared to have ridden out the storm, Grandad but in doing so they have alienated a great many of their voters (in addition to killing off a fair few of them through their incompetent handling of the coronavirus crisis) and fatally weakened ( perhaps literally fatally for more UK citizens) the authority of the government.

This could be their Iraq moment....

My post above was for Urmstongran.??

Yes we (as usual) called it one hundred percent right.

We really just get together and form this political party we talked about last year, if only for the sake of Britain, the whole of Europe and the saving of America from Trump. ???

Totally agree Grandad1943
?

Wide sections of the media are conceding this moring that Cummings and Johnson have now ridden out this storm. Therefore there are many strong lessons to be learned by from this debacle, with the first and foremost being that social outrage when demonstrated solely through the press and social media has no real power when practised without organised leadership.

Had leadership of the undoubted huge public anger been seen at the forefront of the Cummings crisis from the outset, then the outcome may have been very different.

For those who have spent very many hours on their laptops, tablets and phones making post after post on social media and forums such as this, that lesson must be that campaigning through organisations that have through their structures the ability to bring about change is the only way forward for the future.

What little support there was for all those of the above who have spent so much time trying to achieve the fall of Cummings through social media came as far too little and far too late.

For the press pack who thought they were all-powerful at the start of this crisis the outcome indeed must be very sobering.

Organisation through good leadership has always been the key to success and that must be practised in any campaign against the misuse of authority in the future.

Link to just one of the reports of Cummings and Johnson's success can be found here:-
news.sky.com/story/boris-johnsons-deployment-of-brute-force-appears-to-have-saved-dominic-cummings-11996533

The government and their lacklustre response back in January/February did cause thousands of deaths.

Well the Pollyannas and wishful thinkers who think Johnson is the new messiah after Farage will believe we have all moved on. Not everyone will forget the revelations that have shocked many, and not necessarily just those who dislike Johnson and Cummings anyway. He’s upset many of his own supporters,

Hyperbole. You’d think DC was personally responsible for all those deaths. He made an error of judgement (Barnard Castle). The police classed it as a minor infringement. I agree the optics weren’t good but sack him? Nah. Fine him if appropriate but all this?

I think it’ll fizzle out now he’s leaving anyway. Nothing to see here.

Whitewave remember the petitions about Brexit? Over a million yet nothing happened. Recall the demos in London when coachloads of people joined the throng protesting in London in the good weather last summer? They didn’t achieve anything.

This is a Twitterati storm and a media shark fest. MP’s (some of whom hate DC anyway) are enjoying his discomfort and calling for his resignation. Other MP’s have joined in but cynically, I think they just want to stay on side with their more vociferous constituents - they do want to retain their seats after all at the next GE!

This will subside now. The heat has been taken out of the situation in my opinion.

The damage has been done. We can see Cummings hand so far up Johnson’s backside It’s like he’s Harry Corbett and Johnson is Sooty. People won’t forget the lies and arrogance and the fact that we are being played by an unelected elite. Brexit is not of greater importance than thousands of lives.

ug 60000 dead people can’t move on.

I don’t think that you have thought through the tragic damage Cummings has inflicted on the country if ours.

He is still there.

Good morning.

Breaking news: Seems Dominic Cummings is set to quit in six months.

By then Brexit negotiations will have concluded (no danger of a soft Brexit). Takes the heat out the current situation. He’s going so most people will calm down now. No need for that petition- it’s pretty redundant now.

Thank you

Thanks for linking that article Lucca. Just in case anybody missed it, I'll post the link again:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/27/boris-johnson-coronavirus-dominic-cummings?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1590653236

Here it is:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-5RzCDeEFc