Will he resign 2

I wish it would go on another thread. Its tedious in the extreme.

Perhaps we should start a new thread

Where is Kier Starmer

lemongrove, I believe that had Starmer used the powers of his office in a organised manner in this crisis by way of involving parliament and the media, he would have had the full support of the entire Labour movement behind him.

However, he has done nothing over the last five days and that has drawn the criticism of the both large sections of the affiliate membership and direct party members.

Many simply cannot comprehend what action (or inaction as it turned out to be) the Labour party leadership were trying to convey.

If anyone can articulate that then I and many thousands of others would be only to happy to listen.

However, that for me will have to be later, time I began work. ?

This morning Starmer has called for everyone to focus on the fight against the virus.

He has requested that track and trace is done within 24hrs as he understands that this virus is very catching and spreads like wildfire.

Speedy T&T will help prevent this.

lemon if you know anything about Starmer’s way of working, you will understand that he never takes part (as I do?) in the sort of Scenario we have witnessed this past week with the media etc. That simply isn’t his style.

Frankly he can afford to sit back and let the Tories do it to themselves. If he took to big a part in calling for sackings, resignations etc, that immediately gives the Tories a focus to rally against. Why would he do that? He is playing a very clever game and unfortunately for you and other Johnson supporters he is far more competent.

The result of Cummings leadership.

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Good post whitewave.

Whitewave you didn’t seem to believe the polls last December when things pointed to Johnson winning the GE,
But as we know, the polls were right.

Although I quite like Starmer, have to agree with Grandad that he has missed a golden opportunity to dent credibility of the Conservative Party.
So, why is this? If it’s because he is trying hard not to pander
To party political squabbling at a time of fear/worry due to the pandemic, then I like him even more.If it’s indecisiveness
Or not wishing to make waves for other reasons, or a feeling that he may be on shaky ground with the general public, then it may point to trouble ahead for his future.

Whitewavemark2 no one is demonstrating hate for the new Labour leader. However, everyone must recognise that the labour leadership has not performed well throughout this crisis and burying heads in the sand and hoping Starmer will perform better next time simply is not good enough.

All of socialist views wish to see the entire Labour movement do well for itself and through that the population of this country. However, Starmer must learn from the desperate mistakes of the last five days and look to make better his performance in the future.

I have to also say that those around Kier Starmer must have been giving him some very poor advice throughout this crisis and perhaps that is the first place that requires change.

ug

“What the opinion polls are showing is that 70% think laughing boy is taking the piss - one rule for the elite and another for the little people. .. Boris ignored that , believing that he knew better about what the little people really thought”

I think I’ll allow annie to reply grandad as she will understand exactly where you are coming from with your hate of the current leader of the Labour Party.

I, however, will not take part in such a debate because I am quite willing to give Starmer the space he needs to develop his policies etc.

I am and always have been focused on getting rid of a Tory government, turning inwards and against the labour leader is a treacherous route to take at such an early time in Starmer’s leadership.

You at wrong to do so imo and your agenda is crystal clear.

I won’t take part in it.

Whitewavemark2 in regard to your post @07:30 today, I respectfully have to challenge your assertion that Kier Starmer is competent.

Rather than writing articles in newspapers, Starmer's time would have been far better spent writing to the speaker of the House of Commons requesting the recall of parliament to debate the Cummings issue. Starmer could also have requested of the media authorities the right of reply synchronised on all the main television channels in which he could have laid out the opposition parties position to all that Johnson had stated in his prime time television assertions.

The above would have brought an official focus to the outpouring of public anger so well demonstrated on social media.

However, Starmer has chosen to do none of the above and instead did what has amounted to little or nothing over the last five days. Writing this morning in a newspaper with little circulation these days does demonstrate, I believe, no real grasp of a situation that has now mainly passed and a high level of incompetence on Starmers part.

I feel the above writing in newspapers amounts to closing a very small door long after a very large horse has bolted.

ug only when they are in your favour?

Polls? Ha! When were they ever accurate!
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grandad what you omitted from your post was the fact that Johnson has a very large majority, and until and unless he is faced with a vote if no confidence, all he has to do is sit tight and wait for it to blow over. A vote of no confidence is all that will unseat a Johnson.

However, what I don’t think you have recognised is the power of the media to sow the seeds of dissatisfaction and government action that underpins this criticism. The polls are showing the result of the past weeks debacle.

Morning campers.
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Following on from the television interview in which he made clear that either Cummings should resign or be sacked. Indeed saying that he would have sacked his. Own aid if indeed his aid had acted in the way Cummings had, Starmer has now written a long article in the Mirror, outlining his thoughts on the debacle and what Johnson should now do regarding the crises.

It is worth understanding that Starmer would have no problem sacking any aid, as he is not totally reliant on any aid. Being both competent and intelligent neither qualities that are obvious In Johnson.

mirror.co.uk/news/politics/keir-starmer-dominic-cummings-broke-22097178

What the Cummings crisis has so well demonstrated would be that social media has no real power even when many millions turn to its use to demonstrate their anger.

Undoubtedly there has been in Britain over the last week an outpouring of outrage over the actions of Dominic Cummings. In that, many took to social media as an outlet for that outrage in the belief that those in government would respond to such an outpouring, and Cummings would be removed from his position. However, that has not happened and Johnson has well demonstrated it will not happen.

The main media in Britain undoubtedly took their lead from the social media outpouring and believed that riding on the back of that current of opinion they could bring about Cummings dismissal from office or his resignation. What that press pack failed to recognise was the fact that any campaign has to have centralised organised leadership, and that the press and social media could not give.

Power resides in authorities specifically set up to wield various powers whether that be in Britain's boardrooms, trade unions charities or any other institution that requires management. In the case of the Cummings situation that power resided with the political parties that had the authority to gauge the strength of the public opinion and channel that through the laid out democratic processes.

Johnson has realised the above throughout this crisis and used the power of government and his office to manage the situation. All others including the political parties of opposition believed that public opinion demonstrated through social media could bring about what they wished to see. That did not and could not happen because social media has no real power to change anything.

As stated, that power resides in the institutions set up or elected to wield such power and in the case of the Cummings crisis, the main parties of opposition have not acted in any way as they should have done.

I think most of us, quite rightly, were expecting a resignation and/or apology - not a completerefusal to admit any wrongdoing.

His wife's article, giving the impression that they'd stayed in London, is the icing on the cake!

Of course there will be the supporters who think Johnson's doing a great job and won’t hear a word against him because their heads are firmly stuck in the sand. The ironic thing is, if Cummings has just come out and apologised and said - I made an error of judgement, I was anxious, I’m sorry etc many of us would have said fair enough, and moved on. But it’s the arrogance and lies and “I don’t care what you lot think” attitude that makes this an issue that many won’t forget in a hurry.

Just don’t watch BBC then UG if you don’t like it. Simple.
Did you watch Boris this afternoon ? Did you think he did a great job ?

I think that, because lockdown has eased slightly [or, from what I've seen around me, totally broken down] a lot of people are forgetting just how it was at the time that Cummings took off to Durham and then had his day trip out. At that point we'd even stopped having our hours daily exercise. I also wonder what would have happened if Cummings had done that in, say, Italy or Spain when they were in complete lockdown. As it is we have a PM who describes the incident as a bit of 'political ding dong'.

Maybe we need the journalists to hold the government to account due to the fact that, in the middle of a pandemic in which thousands of people are dying, parliament has gone into recess.

The complaint against the press and that the furore is political would be valid, but for Dominic Cummings own speech.
His description of what happened was full of problems. Without going over his tale again I will just comment on one of his poor judgements.
When I was recovering after an operation, I rang my consultant and insurer for advice. There was no way that I would self diagnose and risk the public and myself.
Of course there is panic and knee jerk reaction, which if I am generous looks like what happened to him.
In that case he could have apologised, simple !

Yes, it is..