Can you think of a Prime Minister worse than Johnson?

I think that what distinguishes Johnson from all the other PMs I have known is that all of them, however many mistakes they made seem to have had some regard for the citizens of the state they'd been chosen to lead and a vision of what they wanted to achieve. Johnson appears to have none. Which has laid him open to manipulation by all sorts of stronger characters than his, whose intentions are to gain power and wealth from chaos.

And by Cummings, who wants to destroy the state institutions, toss them up in the air and see where they land. His motives are unclear to me but they don't feel benign..

No I am willing to consider any incompetent PM who is worse than Johnson put forward.

You can put forward policies you disagree with, we can all do that, but trying to find a less competent PM is difficult.

I’m having difficulty, how about Balfour he was pretty useless?
Actually thinking about it we may have come up with the answer!
Balfour came in with a good majority and a confident Tory party. But within 3 years he had totally lost control, sacking loads (?Hmm) and losing an election, he even lost his own seat.

Whitewave, you say -

“None of you get the point though do you? Or perhaps you do and can’t think of a less competent PM than Johnson so attack policies.”

The point is you asked a question!! Why are you surprised when some people reply expressing their own views which don’t agree with yours? Yes, some posters have included policies which was not strictly what the question was about but nonetheless have influenced their thoughts on the matter, but for you there is only one possible answer!

As you probably have read none of my posts, paddyanne you may have missed the fact that I have not defended Johnson or Cummings in the slightest but.

However, I think my point about non-scientists reading involved scientific papers is a fair one.

If Johnson is ill he should resign

dontmind that is of course if there are any British farmers left after the USA farmers have been allowed to undercut our farmers as well rear their meat in dirty, hormone filled conditions.

That bill was passed through this week under the radar as everyone’s attention was/is focused on Cummings

Agree Jabber

I have heard several people who were seriously ill with the
Coronavirus say they have PTSD.

Medical experts have said they expect many to suffer PTSD

BLINKO,

Why would Brexiteers be "^first in the queue for cheap American meat products^?"

What an absolutely ridiculous statement.

We will be continuing to buy British - supporting our own farmers is one of the main reasons for voting to leave the EU.

Six months Annie, during which he's had to deal with an unprecedented pandemic after 10 weeks, then deal with serious illness 2 weeks later, back to work far too soon which is blatantly obvious, and a totally hostile press. I wonder how anyone would have coped with that. He deserves a medal! Jacinda Aherne apparently also had a minister who broke the rules, he stayed in post as he was too important to get rid of. Of course J.A doesn't have our left wing press and politicians to cope with so is able to take a more balanced attitude, no wonder she always looks so cheerful!

What would he have to do before the apologists on here would accept he's useless..less than useless.

Talking to my 17 year old GS yesterday online,he said: Aren't we at the stage where we or America usually invade other counties? .tens of thousands of people dying at the hands of government ,people losing jobs and income and leaders who cant seem to see whats going on while they carry on with their own lives without interference"

Not so far from the truth if you look at it .Is America planning on taking control by the back door with the trade deals they're keen for us to take,will they put their man in place to answer those questions Bojo isn't allowed to answer ?

paddyanne BJ didn't admit that he hadn't read any of the scientific evidence about CV

He said he hadn't read the full reports but had read the synopses and conclusions. I would not expect him to read the full scientific reports as much may be incomprehensible to all but a scientist trained in that particular area of expertise; having read full summaries any questions he had arising could then be answered by scientists and medical professionals.

I think that is a fair conclusion.

just out of curiosity Annie when did any of those PM's EVER say ,live on TV ,that they "aren't allowed to give information anymore"? Surely if you're PM then its YOUR job to govern...or do I live in a parallel universe ?
And following on that WHO doesn't allow him to give information? Cummings?

Brilliant post Joelsnan, excellently put.?

Whitewave, I was not speaking of policies, Blair was PM for
ten years, Thatcher for 11 years, Wilson six years and two years, Brown three years, Callaghan three years,

6 months cannot be compared with the these to judge a
premiership

I think its strange that many people judge BJs competence by his style of delivery. A little like how many people regard someone with a speech impediment as being of a lower intellect.
I watch the media basically acting like school yard bullies mocking the boy with the lisp.
As mentioned he facilitated the removal of the Brexit logjam, delivered a pre Covid budget that even the Labour party had to concede was a very socialist budget. Supported individuals through furlough and other financial initiatives. Yes our death rate is high, is that incompetence? I think mistakes have been made however made without malice. I think there are far more things that have played into the death rate mix than purely government actions and time will tell.
How many other PMs have subjected themselves to public scrutiny in front of the Liaison Committee? Maybe he didn’t have all the answers, what General Manger does, that is why they employ departmental managers to have the expertise.
Many people’s political biases are made on historical events often centuries old and totally unrelated to todays Society and its needs.

annie yes the time to judge policies will be just before an election, but the time to judge competence and being on top of a brief is as soon as they get elected.

Just looking at what the European papers are saying about this country is humiliating. Johnson has shown himself to be lazy, indecisive, lacking a grasp of detail, narcissistic and in love with the idea of power. Now that he has power, he may be having second thoughts. He is certainly over-dependent on his unattractive adviser, forcing his unfortunate ministers to support Cummings who has enraged the populace by disregarding the lockdown. I could go on.

I don`t trust ANY of them.
Integraty doesn`t exist in polotics anymore.
It`s all about me me me me and of course the odd affair.

Incompetent, lying super egotist. His performance yesterday when asked if he had evidence of false statements regarding Cummins was a comedy of disbelief as he attempted not to answer. However, when stuck in a corner he said he had but wouldn’t reveal it. Never mind Cummins is in charge of “get Brexit done” and Johnson is following the script as we crash out as we run out of time with no discussions. Poor Uk, poor us.

Impossible to judge 6 months with 5 years or more.

It IS possible to see the difference between ineffective/bad at the job and personal dislike.

I HATED Thatcher. We all know why. I don't need to explain it. But I understand that for a long time, she was a successful politician/leader. Despite my hating what she did.

Johnson is not in that category. He's bad at his job because he is not politician material.

david Brown still understood his brief, far more than Johnson.

I'm afraid you don't understand how sampling for a poll works, Firecracker.

I agree LG, I think he .came back to work far too soon and it shows! I guess he felt he had to particularly with these trade talks going on, after all that's what he was voted into office to do, so obviously is duty bound probably to the detriment of his own health. To be commended I'd have thought!

Gordon Brown must rank as a contender for the worst PM, on top of that the 2008 financial crisis was nurtured when he was chancellor.
Boris and his cronies are actually dangerous, because they have radical ideas and the majority to get them through parliament, regardless of the consequences. I’m sure they regret the 80% furlough it was intended to be short term, it will end up 6 months in some sectors.