Did people in Sunderland want this when they voted for a no-deal brexit?.

The government was still promising as recently as January that food standards wouldn't be lowered to enable a trade agreement with the US.

Anybody who cares about animal welfare, food standards and the future of British farmers should be worried.

This isn't an old battle.

It's not one that I can see as being winnable, growstuff.

Public opinion counts for nothing, expert opinion counts for nothing.

I see this morning that the NFU has started a petition about food standards

www.nfuonline.com/news/latest-news/food-standards-petition/

What good will that do? Most of their stupid members voted for this...

And what's happening to our NHS in secret under our noses.

The NHS is being replaced by forty-four US-style insurance-based private organisations.

This was the plan all along and great chunks of it are already private it hides under the NHS logo.

Health care is a service we must transform it into a business
Like any business therefore we must separate it into purchaser and provider.

Now we know we must try to stop this.

How, Grany? How?

Well American take over began with Thatcher and Reagan He wanted all state owned stuff privatised to begin the American penitration of U.K state owned services trillions to be made in the privatisation of the NHS So there was a plan the propaganda to fool general populace into believing that NHS was failing so to eventually hand it all over to private companies, which is well on the way now.

The book The Deceit Syndrome by Dr Paul Hobday explains a lot the privatising of our NHS covers politics history and the gradual take over from state ownership NHS into private hands.

The NHS Heist film by Dr Bob Gill

I guess letting the public know what's happening
Writing to your MP

I guess letting the public know what's happening

The public, looking at some responses on here over the past year or so to what's happening in the NHS, aren't that bothered.

Writing to your MP

My MP is one of Johnson's lobby fodder.

Never was the term lobby fodder more apt than in the ridiculous spectacle of the "Mogg Conga", a mile long line of MPs slowly walking around the HoC to vote like robots.

My MP is a careerist who is about as lazy as Johnson and couldn't care less what her more dissenting constituents says. Her response to the Cummings incident was farcical.

There is absolutely nothing anybody can do to stop this in the short term. However, history is a process. What has been lost can be regained, however long it takes.

Thank goodness Labour now has an electable leader, who might just win the next election and the country can start to rebuild.

Yes a lot of MPs are no good some have financial interests in private health companies.

Do you think we'll get democracy back in the future, growstuff?

Parliamentary democracy, I mean, where it all works as it should and doesn't become a place to be manipulated by anyone with a huge majority?

Tories feel as though they've been working hard to get enabling law in place over the past 4 years.

Grany AFAIK My MP doesn't have vested interests in health care. She's an ideological libertarian, who's also a careerist. She's the Equalities Minister who doesn't believe systemic racism exists and had never heard of the Marmot Review. She's an appalling MP, who knows very well that this constituency would vote for a donkey with a blue rosette (her words).

Maizie I fear not, possibly not even in my lifetime. What is so terribly sad is that it was the "people" themselves who chose this path.

As somebody who studied the society of 1930s Germany in great detail, I am reminded of the films of the Americans taking local Germans to visit the death camps in 1945. The Americans did it to show Germans what they had done and there were some who genuinely could not see the connection with how they had voted in 1933 and the outcome of their vote. I do not believe they were evil people, but they had just never thought through the consequences of their actions, which had destroyed democracy in Germany.

The message from those films has stayed with me for decades.

Maizie I believe Gove is the malevolent force. He's also very close to Cummings. I think they knew that Johnson would be a more popular choice as the front man.

I note that the Covid response team (or whatever it's called) has now been divided between the two of them, Johnson and Gove, and the rest have been sidelined. Johnson will continue to be the "face" of government (when he turns up or his minders let him out) and Gove (with Cummings) will be the ones behind the scenes, pulling all the strings, manipulating public opinion and silencing dissenters, such as scientists.

It's bad news.

I saw the Nissan global chief operating officer, Ashwani Gupta, being interviewed regarding this issue. He said quite categorically that it would not make economic sense for Nissan to continue manufacturing in the UK if no suitable trade deal is finalised with the EU.

The I reported that the Bank of England has told lenders to prepare for a no deal Brexit, so presumably they believe such a scenario is entirely possible.

For the majority who voted for Brexit in Sunderland, they were warned. Sadly, the ones who didn't vote for it are also likely to suffer.

Never mind, we had it on Johnson's authority that the UK is straining at the bit to "unleash its potential" when we "take back control". That has a very hollow ring to it at the moment since this government seems unable to take control of anything with any degree of effectiveness.

I have every faith in the population of Britain's capacity for hard work, innovation and social commitment - having seen how much "ordinary people" (and businesses) have achieved in producing PPE, setting up local groups to provide support to those in need, helping to prepare and deliver food, and myriad other imaginative and innovative projects set up in a very short space of time - much of it undertaken voluntarily. It is not their capacity for inventiveness, organisation and hard work that worries me - these qualities are already evident. I don't have the same faith in our government which has completely mismanaged everything and has left us with nothing but uncertainty and confusion. We now have a huge death toll, despite the fact that, as an island, we are geographically advantaged and also had far more time to look, learn and prepare for this health emergency.

Very well said Eloethan.

I would just add that despite its inability to manage the country's health, it has managed to hand over billions of pounds worth of contracts to supporters and allies.

Who was the person (some lord or other?) who said a few weeks ago that farming and fishing aren't important? Well, we know now that they're not important to the government. Sunderland isn't important either. Project Fear? I don't think so!

It’s not just Nissan, Toyota and Honda both set up UK factories to serve the EU market, those factories are now old and they won’t be reinvesting unless there is a good deal. Our only major U.K. based car maker is Indian owned Jaguar Landrover will carry on, albeit expanding its EU and Chinese factories at the expense of UK jobs.

It’s not really in EU interests to have no tariffs on cars because they are a much larger market and manufacturers will move there. So your BMW, Merc or VW will cost more.

Already promises are being forgotten despite stating that food standards would not be compromised, the new agriculture bill sweeps all that aside to enable imports from wherever they choose. Yes, most farmers did vote for Brexit - turkeys voting for Christmas.

No border in Ireland, there won’t be for people, for freight there will be specific routes where goods can be checked within Ireland and full customs at the mainland ports. Not what the Unionists wanted at all. Less red tape?, no chance, those that export to or travel to EU will have many hoops to jump through to meet EU regulations. The French have already turned compassionate, escorting boat loads of migrants safely into British waters, expect that to continue.

Funny how many tourists love going out to Florida to eat chlorinated chicken! It doesn’t seem to put them off. If one in six got food poisoning word would soon get round. Strange that it hasn’t....
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I suspect that most Brits who went to Florida as tourists were only there for a week or a fortnight and so quite a lot of them escaped food poisoning.

Perhaps they're eating beef burgers instead. Also plenty of fish off the coast of Florida.

I don't suppose they go to Florida for the purpose of eating chlorinated chicken. The chances of food poisoning during a short stay are minimal.

I agree with you Davidhs. And don't forget fishing. British fishermen sold their quotas to EU fishermen and won't get them back unless they pay for them. If they try to ignore the law, there are going to be massive law suits costing megabucks.

The British sell most of their catch to the EU anyway, so they're throwing their market away.

PS. It won't just be BMWs, Mercs and VWs. Ford don't assemble any passenger cars in the UK. All of them are imported from the EU, so will have tariffs.

They lied

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/chlorinated-chicken-us-trade-talks-boris-johnson-trump-a9549656.html

We drove home through England the week after the Breixt vote ,stopping along the way .being sociable we chatted to many folk in pubs en route.The one thing a lot said was " we need to try it on our own,if we dont do well we can always go back" I did say I thought that may not be an option and that we believed we were better in the EU but apparently I didn't have a clue about it ,you could leave and rejoin at will! Some are in for a very big shock when it happens and for us who voted to remain its an ongoing nightmare

I posted a link on GN yesterday from the NFU which was petitioning the government against cheap meat from the US. Last time I checked only a couple had signed it.