Did people in Sunderland want this when they voted for a no-deal brexit?.

I think they're wearing their facemasks over their eyes Furret.

Was this the petition?

www.campaigns.nfuonline.com/page/56262/petition/1?locale=en-GB

Fisheries, there will be increased quotas for small boats no doubt, the rest will be traded away amongst other countries. There is not going to be a big expansion of U.K. fishing boats, even if there was they would have to use migrant crews, so little to gain.

The biggest gain for fisheries is having proper control over fish stocks, the EU fisheries policy was a complete disaster.

How is that going to work? Presumably the UK can't stop those who have bought the quotas from fishing in UK waters. Or can they? (I guess I need to do some further research.) My understanding is that the kind of fish we in the UK like to eat doesn't breed in UK waters.

Well, the electorate of the North East of England voted for Brexit in the 2016 referendum and for this very Brexit Tory government in the 2019 general election and therefore they have been very consistent in their determination for Britain to leave its membership of the European Union.

In view of the above, anyone can believe that whatever Britains Brexit brings about that is what those Northern people wished to happen, for the better or for the worst.

We all have to live with what we carry out.

Furret, I've signed that petition, and shared on SM so I know that a number of friends have also signed.

Thank you Blinko. No matter what side of the Brexit fence people were on, this really matters,

I'm afraid that is one petition I don't intend to sign. Most British farmers voted for Brexit (though the handful that I know actually didn't...). They've brought this on themselves. No sympathy from me.

How can you say that Maizie? This is an urban myth being spread around.

No one was asked to state their occupation on the Brexit voting form were they? Think about it. How on earth could you reach that conclusion?

Urban myth? Polling evidence, Furret

www.fwi.co.uk/news/farmer-support-brexit-strong-ever-fw-poll-reveals

No Maisie you said MOST BRITISH FARMERS. Had you said just over half then I’d not have contradicted you.

Like the of the UK it was a close run thing not MOST at all.

That article shows that farmers weren't that different from the general voting population. Not only that, but they were promised that food standards wouldn't be lowered.

In this area, farm workers generally voted for Brexit, but the farm owners voted to remain because they knew they'd lose their CAP subsidies. The NFU supported Remain.

I seem to recall that there was one dominant message in the 2019 general election campaign which was "Get Brexit Done". Other parties tried and failed to put forward more comprehensive and precise messages, but the above was the connotation that "sold" with the Electorate.

The Tory Party through its leader promised little with the exception that if elected to government once again, Britain would leave the European Union in 2020. So, with or without a trade agreement that it would seem is to be the occurrence.

However, that is what the British electorate voted for and nothing else.

Full list of MPs who voted to lower our food standards during the Covid pandemic

Fears as Government promises for post-Brexit food and environmental standards removed from Agriculture Bill.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/full-list-of-mps-who-voted-to-lower-our-food-standards-during-the-covid-pandemic/26/05/?fbclid=IwAR30hHHcmOline1y-4-cFhGJhWvi2S-wFAOzVq5OMAAPI4jwQoQC2Lx2cR8

One of the people posting in response to the article part of a communications he'd received previously from his Conservative MP:

"Whilst writing, please note that we will not compromise on our food safety standards which include the ban on chlorinated chicken and hormone injected beef. Without exception, all animal products imported into the UK under existing or future free trade agreements from all trading partners will have to meet our stringent food safety standards, as they do now.

"I want to assure you that the UK also remains committed to the delivery of the Sustainable Development Goals and will continue to meet all of its international commitments following a potential US trade deal.

"The UK government will seek to ensure investors are protected while always making sure the UK has the right to regulate and US businesses abide by UK laws.

Kind regards,

Siobhan

Siobhan Baillie MP

I checked on the list of MPs who voted for the standards to be removed and, yes you guessed it, Ms Baillie was on it.

The fact is that about 75% of farmers voted to leave EU despite the NFU solidly backing remain , there is no reason or logic it just comes down to not wanting to obey rules from Brussels. Now there is a great leap into the unknown with any farm payments halved or worse and the prospect of cheap imports that will undercut UK production

What annoys me is that now brexit is affecting the farmers in a bad way they’re all protesting, and yet the huge placards they put in their fields persuaded many people to vote leave. So they didn’t care about how it would affect other people until it adversely affected them.

So rather than "Taking Back Control" there is a real risk that our own farmers will be put out of business because US meat producers will capture the market by reducing prices through lowering standards. Alternatively, our own farmers will have to reduce their standards too. Either way,it doesn't look much like taking back control - more like relinquishing it.

What evidence is there that 75% of farmers voted leave Davidhs?

Wiltshire farmer Minette Batters, President of the NFU, who has described a no-deal brexit as "Armaggedon" tweets about the young farmers standing up to the government-

"So proud of these youngsters standing up for the future of food and farming. Share as many times as you can - it’s so important to every single person in this country. "

twitter.com/minette_batters?lang=en

The Brexit crisis led to totally incompetent leadership at a time of unprecedented calamity. Now we are paying for it

www.independent.co.uk/voices/coronavirus-lockdown-government-death-toll-boris-johnson-a9551516.html?fbclid=IwAR2hKgmKYUUZFc52jcu_xs6g1UAxPGHn7L8y-U6BdIVsA5z2zLqYZNuDVtQ#comments

The crazy thing is that Boris Johnson, unlike Gove and Rees Mogg isn’t really anti EU and he didn’t expect leave to win. Probably the only thing he’s ever been successful at.

Varian I can assure you not many in the farming community like the EU, there was a survey at referendum time, my family and my friends amongst them. Ask them why, we dont need them, too many regulations, don’t like foreigners, no positive reasons at all. At the end of the day there are no positive reasons for changing, just the hope that we could have our cake and eat it.

Does it bother me?, not one jot, they made their bed let them lie in it, when they complain in a few years how bad it is I will be pleased to remind them how they voted.

Farmers Weekly claims that about 58% of farmers in a survey voted Leave. The percentage varied across different regions.

infacts.org/farmers-reap-harvest-voting-brexit/

The annoying thing is that all the huge posters they put up in their fields persuaded a lot of other people to vote leave, too.