Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter

These people appear to have a shaky grasp of history to say the least, confusing Robert Peel's views with those of his father and accusing Queen Victoria of owning slaves.

Gajahgran if promoting racial discord means asking that people of all races be treated equally, that proper investigation and action be taken to rectify areas or services where BAME people suffer from inequality and discrimination, like for example maternity services where the mortality rate is much higher, or the justice system where prison sentences are more common, I stand with BLM. Just as I would have stood with the Chartists, the suffragettes and the Trade Unionists. The fight for equality has been a long one and those fighting for it have always been condemned by some reactionary people.

Peaceful protests DIDNT help. People mocked.

How do you feel that black people should promote the view that their lives matter? That they shouldn’t be murdered / jailed/ maligned for doing the same things white people do?

We didn’t listen.

People are listening now. I can only hope that enough do so that things change

The problem is, many do not want change

If you don’t want people to presume your views....writing them on a message board might not be the best for you.

Summerlove don't presume to know anything about me or my life. BLM are encouraging rioting how can that help.

If the powers that be were interested in promoting harmony it might have been a good idea to act on the upset and concerns expressed by a significant number of people regarding statutes that honour despicable people being placed in prominent places in our towns and cities with no mention attached to them of the harm these people caused.

Gajahgran

Trisher it is BLM that promote racial discord. Surely you cannot think that violence and anarchy promotes harmony. I did invite everyone to look at the BLM website. I still think that their narrative is very concerning.

What they want is a seat at the table.

The fact that you feel that giving them that is promoting Racial Discord says a lot about you and your views.

I suppose it really is that When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression

Sparkling

Growstuff why don’t you take on the real problem, police brutality in America or better still Trump. No you would rather go for soft targets every time, as for black footballers taking racial abuse, a few do, but their team mates and the fans call the perpetrators out. However you would rather focus on the few bad than the mass of decent people. Never heard such a lot of excuses for disgusting behaviour. Start petitioning for all the houses taken in the dissolution of the monasteries, better still the way women were men’s chattels once they married and wasting their fortunes. Soon you can eradicate everything.

Please tell me more about how racism isn’t a “real problem”

I always have a good idea what will follow the words "I'm not racist but ..".

Growstuff when you resort to insults you have lost the argument.

And you could do with chilling too Gagahgran. Either that or go and take a trip to Barnard Castle to test your eyesight.

Calm down Sparkling! You'll make yourself ill.

Trisher it is BLM that promote racial discord. Surely you cannot think that violence and anarchy promotes harmony. I did invite everyone to look at the BLM website. I still think that their narrative is very concerning.

If they think the British way of life is nuclear families they
Obviously have no knowledge of Wales. Suppose it’s all
London based for them.

Growstuff why don’t you take on the real problem, police brutality in America or better still Trump. No you would rather go for soft targets every time, as for black footballers taking racial abuse, a few do, but their team mates and the fans call the perpetrators out. However you would rather focus on the few bad than the mass of decent people. Never heard such a lot of excuses for disgusting behaviour. Start petitioning for all the houses taken in the dissolution of the monasteries, better still the way women were men’s chattels once they married and wasting their fortunes. Soon you can eradicate everything.

blondenana So are you saying that the street names and other types of honorary recognition of Jimmy Savile should have been left where they were to remind people that he was a sexual predator and criminal?

Well let's get rid of the partial quotes which have been made from BLM and which can have no other object than to promote racial discord. BLM have two statements about families which co-exist and which present no threat to any society. They are
We make our spaces family-friendly and enable parents to fully participate with their children. We dismantle the patriarchal practice that requires mothers to work “double shifts” so that they can mother in private even as they participate in public justice work.

We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.
So it isn't reall about disrupting culture but about supporting extended families which seems to me to be an admirable aim and one which might help build a better society.

Tooting this is exactly the problem “Until we stop labelling people black white coloured“. Society does indeed label its members and that is what BLM is protesting against.

I also agree with Paddyanne about statues etc. I do not believe humans are so shallow that if there isn’t a statue or street sign marking someone’s name that we will forget about them. Afaik, there are no statues of Nazis in this country but we certainly haven’t forgotten their existence. And is anyone’s life harmed by the absence of a statue or street name? I doubt it.

My Head teacher agreed with me and she was advised of bring racist too. Family were told if they took child in Year 11 and sibling in Year 9 on holiday they would be fined per child by the days missing. They did not go in the end. They genuinely thought they should be allowed to flout rules as their family was in WI. They said it was descrimination as white people's families lived in UK so they could get there and back in one day.

One can’t criticise a person of colour who is in the public eye , it’s racist

Callistemon yes I agree. There is a lot on the BLM website I find concerning.

newnanny. your story resonates. My sister a teacher for over 35 years had a similar experience. A student of hers failed to hand in a project on time despite previous reminders and subsequently did not attain a mark that he should have. The parents then pitched up at the school to complain. During the course of the meeting she was accused of being racist in her dealing with the student, but stood her ground. She was left high and dry by a PC headteacher who failed to support her and thus began her disillusionment with education. In this woke and PC age it is easy to be put on the back foot when race is brought onto the agenda in circumstances where it isn't necessarily the issue.

Gajahgran

Callistemon I was referring to my quote from the BLM website which WWM2 referred to. I very much believe that family values are strong in other cultures.

Yes, I realise that.

It sounds like rather an anarchist aim to me.

I don't think Corbyn is a communist He is a socialist. And slandered and misrepresented attacked in the press for four years. The Establishment millionaires billionaires don't want socialism they want to keep the rubbish government we have, for the time being.

Grany

Do you think it's going a bit far now with UKTV pulling the episode in Faulty Towers Don't mention the war, because of radial slurs ?

And Gone With The Wind Mammy was the first black woman to receive an oscar ?

And other comedy shows.

People are seriously worried that their lives matter less, and that they might be killed just for the colour of their skin.

You are worried about comedy shows.

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