Black Lives Matter versus All Lives Matter

I prefer the saying black lives matter too. To me just saying BLM implies other lived don't matter. I take as I find I look at behaviour not race or colour.

Statistically more black people get stabbed, but more black people carry knives and are charged with this. We cannot forget black culture plays a part in it too.

When I was secondary school teacher in area of very mixed ethnicities for over 25 years, every year several black students brought knives to school. When challenged about why, they often said it is our culture miss.

I also noticed when a group children of various races all got in trouble got the same thing or wanted to breaks school rule on something black students often tried using race card. I am probably not explaining it erll. I will give example. In my Year 11 tutor group students often tried to get permission to miss school. School rules were very clear only 1 day absence for wedding or funeral. 1 boy brought me letter stating he needed 3 weeks off school to attend a wedding in West Indies. I wrote back to parent and told her no against school rules, child cannot possibly miss 3 weeks school. Her reply accusing me of racism for not allowing her child to go for 3 weeks for wedding she said the cost of whole family traveling to WI to attend was very high and so needed 3 weeks to justify the cost. I wrote back again assuring her it was not racism but school policy applied to all children. I was Head of Year 11 att. She then wrote to Her teacher accusing me of racism, and also picking on her child. I never picked on any children, just rule breaking behaviour. She complained I told her child off for lateness, was not understanding when he got into trouble with other teachers got lack of homework bring handed in and I kept him in at break more often than others. Yes that would be because he has to catch up missing homework other children have done at home in own time. He also got less positive reference as lateness had to be included. That is not racism it is treating all the children the same. On rate my teacher website I noticed this child said I was racist. His perspective of racism is very different to mine. I can't help wondering if other black people also have distorted definitions of racism.

I am not racist but do believe if rules exist they should be applied to all regardless of race or colour or gender. Too many black people think rules should not or do not apply to them. I saw this year after year in school. Every time black children got pulled up on rules they cried racism.

Interesting, Baden Powell spoke out against communism .

Boarding up the Cenotaph ? that will cause much anger ,

thank heaven they can’t get into Westminster Abbey , the tomb of the Unknown Soldier could be on their hit list.

BLM is a far left Marxist organisation whose aims have been rejected by the former Communist bloc when the wall fell in 1989 and again here when voters rejected Corbyn in December. Read their manifesto. It contains all the tired old tropes of the Communist Manifesto. Censoring history, comedy and damaging works of art has already been done during the Cultural Revolution under Mao. Only naive, foolish young people with no knowledge of the terrible Communist dictatorships are taken in by this nonsense.

There'll be anarchy before long. What with this and the state of the economy things are bubbling ready to surface.

Don't fall for the hype - too many people are trying to promote racial disharmony www.facebook.com/thehodgetwins/videos/676224299590951

I have just watched a London scene......Churchill's statue completely encased, the Cenotaph boarded half way up. Surely theuseless London Mayor should have found a way to protect not hide these London Landmarks?

Sadiq Khan's and MSM rhetoric is not helping, instead of calming the situation prior to the proposed illegal under Covid-19 guidelines protests, they are fanning the flames of unrest

Callistemon the BLM website states they want to disrupt the Western nuclear family.

Why does this threads need to descend into finger pointing like so many others. When all the slavery related statues are taken down, when all the protests are over, when the news moves to a different story, when the twitterati find something else to tweet about, then what. Will injustice have been well served. Until we stop labelling people black white coloured etc and just refer to them as people we can perhaps make a start. History is littered with inhumanity and injustice and the sad reality is that the human race does not learn from it and continues to pit one against the other.

Callistemon I was referring to my quote from the BLM website which WWM2 referred to. I very much believe that family values are strong in other cultures.

Gajahgran

Whitewavemark2 I do understand that family values are different in other cultures but disrupting family values sounds a very sinister concept to me.

I don't understand this as family values are as strong, if not stronger, in different cultures.

Diane Abbott was criticised for her comment
"West Indian mothers will go to the wall for their children".
She was criticised because people said it implied that mothers from other cultures may not do the same.

Racism exists in other cultures too.
We know a young couple where this has caused much distress because he is white and she is Indian; her parents have disowned her. His parents have welcomed her with open arms.

Oh and by the way i am not racist ,i have a black ex daughter in law and grandson,

Paddyanne Jimmy Savile lived in the town i live in and as soon as what he was really like came out, a street named after him was renamed, same with others here connected with him, removed from plaques etc
Those statues and street names should really in my, and others opinions, serve as a reminder of how the future should be
We can't rewrite history. and blank it out,how will the future generations ever learn what was bad as well as what was good in the past
I also think taking programmes off air because of all this is ridiculous, taking peoples choice away
There is an off button on all TVs,
I know this is mainly the BBC but it's just madness,
Don't other peoples lives matter,it seems not

Whitewavemark2 I do understand that family values are different in other cultures but disrupting family values sounds a very sinister concept to me.

Grany Do you think it's going a bit far now with UKTV pulling the episode in Faulty Towers Don't mention the war, because of radial slurs?

Yes I do. But it wasn't just the don't-mention-the-war bit. There was an ageing colonel who was a regular character and who often would make outrageous racist remarks too.

The point is the even at the time the show was broadcast viewers knew that the racism was wrong, and that by introducing it into the show via the ridiculous colonel character, John Cleese and Connie Booth were actually calling out racism and acknowledging, by poking fun at the colonel, that his racism wasn't acceptable.

I find it rather strange that honestly confronting racism is censored, whereas violence in many forms is tolerated and even glorified.

Growstuff sorry did not mean to pick on you. I don't know what the answer is but rioting and violence only leads to more violence. I don't think social media solves it either. Maybe if representatives from all sides had a forum where all these issues are discussed.

gajah yes I know and I understand what they are saying as the family values are different in different traditions.

I’m not sure how that would disrupt democracy though?

sarahellenwhitney

One only has to observe the media to understand why prejudice /racism flourishes. Do we need to know a persons colour ? why not young /elderly/ male/female etc .We have eyes /ears and a brain give us credit for knowing how to use them.

We don't need to know someone's age, whether or not they are a grandmother, have grey hair and how much their house is worth either.

Only if these things have any relevance to what is being reported.

Much Racism is taught in the home

One only has to observe the media to understand why prejudice /racism flourishes. Do we need to know a persons colour ? why not young /elderly/ male/female etc .We have eyes /ears and a brain give us credit for knowing how to use them.

Whitewave2 BLM do call for a lot of things on their website including "We disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family values" which is a very alien concept in a democracy.

Why pick on me anyway? I endorsed what Furret wrote.

Does anyone remember that song from South Pacific, the musical? Some theatres decided that it should be removed from their productions but I think that misses the point entirely.

The musical explores the prejudices of that time and the song 'You've Got To Be Carefully Taught' explains how prejudice is passed down through the generations.
It is not necessarily inherent, it is learned.

So what do you suggest Gajahgran? Just let the racists get away with it without being challenged?

So blondenana you'd be happy to see statues of Jimmy Saville in every town centre? After all he did LOADS for charity ,helped raise funds, gave his time .We should just forget his"murky past"? Lets face it he was a good man ,just misunderstood and child abuse wasn't a huge issue back then ...was it?It was happening all over the place.
Jimmy Saville ruined lives but not a fraction of the lives ruined or ended by the men on the plinths.

By doing good things to appease thir guilt.unlikely,pay for a place in Heaven more likely,or to make themselves feel important and get treated as a superior ..most likely ,should we all forget the evil they perpetrated on people who had no choice with wht happened to them .The statues should go ,into museums or warehouses it where they belong along

As I said a bit of levelheadedness needed.