Institutional racism in the police?

Her opinion was that police officers didn't search for her daughters because they were black and gave a council estate as their address lemongrove when I paraphrased that I was accused of 'fictionalising' and 'conjecture'. Is that respect? Would someone like to acknowledge that this mother might know more about what she is talking about than most on GN.

Opinions are not facts trisher as you well know.There is no disrespect for the mother’s opinions in any of these posts on the thread.
Time to move on now I think.

lemongrove if you read what I posted again you will see that the reason I would ask for this thread to be deleted is that it has deteriorated into a series of personal attacks which I am trying to stay out of. I thought the mother was very calm and collected although grief stricken and I accepted her opinion about why the police didn't search for her daughters (remember this was 36 hours of there being no contact) and why members of the family had to look for them. I don't live in London, I don't have contact with the Metropolitan police but I would imagine the daughter who was a senior social worker did, and I would imagine she recounted those contacts to her mother, who probably suspected that someting had happened to her daughters but trusted the police to find them. Then realised they would not.
I don't particularly care if people on GN agree with me I do care that this mother's opinions are treated with such disrespect.

The mother of the victims is very upset, grief stricken, of course, and she managed to give a dignified and moving interview on the radio.
What you are doing though trisher is accepting as fact what this poor lady assumed ( that the police wouldn’t look for the sisters because they knew they were black.)
This thread shouldn’t degenerate into name calling, but sadly it has by some ( who possibly agree with your take on things.)
Nor should the thread be deleted because you are not agreed with universally. It’s a tragic news item that can be commented on by all. There have been no racist remarks throughout this thread.

trisher, you said Chewbacca I posted my opinion when you claimed it had no basis I posted the mother's statement which you ignored.

That statement was a lie. I did no such thing. I, and other posters, have pointed out my original and earlier posts on this subject And they prove that you either have the wrong poster in mind or you're lying but you have conveniently skirted around addressing this by raising a totally different issue.

You have, without a shadow of doubt "expressed your opinions". So have I. And I haven't felt the need to lie about, or reconfigure yours whilst doing so.

I am now contemplating asking for this thread to be withdrawn because I think those who wish to make personal disputes the highlight and subject of this thread dishonour and trivialise the murders of these two women and the very real concerns about the police that the mother and family have. I'm going to take time and think about it.

Why don’t you accept that white people also experience injustice and unfairness?

That is the case but not really relevant to whether or not there was racist motives on this particular case.

Cross threads Annie it's against the rules on GN.

trisher you try to avoid personal attacks yet call a group of
Grans ‘ nasty, embittered old crones’, that wasn’t personal?

My post trisher is referring to was my post, a question which has caused several complaints of being insensitive and not being in the spirit on the site , it was in no way a personal attack , just a question

Chewbacca I have made no personal attacks on anyone unless you count asking if not seeing pictures of a murder and was it a lynching? is a personal attack.
You have accused me of 'conjecture' and 'fictionalising' when what I actually did was paraphrase the mother's opinion which is apparently to be ignored. One of the reasons I would suggest that institutional racism prospers.
As for the personal attacks the first response on this thread was an attempt to bring into the discussion personal animosity which I always try to avoid. Unfortunately for some people on GN the only response to any discussion is to support whoever cries the loudest. It is pathetic in grown up people.
I have I hope always presented my opinions, which I know many disagree with with the evidence I have used to come to them. If people choose to ignore that evidence it is entirely up to them. If they wish to personalise the discussion that is up to them as well. I choose not to do so.

Jog on trisher; your mendacity is far outweighing anything of value that you may have to say on this matter. I've made my opinions clear; I neither want, nor feel the need, to discredit and lie about other posters and what I interpret that have said; my opinions and beliefs are strong enough without the need to do.

You're clearly pissed off because I've pointed out that your personal animosity towards another poster is becoming a little too obvious and it's beginning to diminish the value of your posts. Your problem to deal with.

I have been a member of gransnet for a few years but rarely post, partly because by the time I get chance to post the discussion has moved on (rightly so) but also because of the pointless, petty name calling when some people disagree.
Intellectually stimulating? I don't think so.

Anyway you can all have a moan as I’m off to seek more intellectually challenging company and walk my dog Furret - from some of your posts I think you may possibly find what you seek.

Trisher You are losing all credibility now. Why are you so determined to find racism everywhere? I doubt anyone on here disputes racism exists in the police but not to the extent that you would have us believe. Why don’t you accept that white people also experience injustice and unfairness?

Chewbacca you have entirely missed my point.

The only point that's immediately apparent Furret is the sharp one at the end of your tongue.

Chewbacca

^2 black women are regarded as the sort who would go missing for a night. (because that's how^ black women behave

Pure conjecture and interpretation on your part trisher; no one said that, no one on here thinks that. Your determined to see racism on here aren't you?

Chewbacca after I posted what the mother had said
Why make up statements like "2 black women are regarded as the sort who would go missing for a night. (because that's how black women behave)? There's no need to add made up "facts" to this tragedy, their sad enough as they are without you adding your own fictionalised "must have beens".
What the mother said again
Smallman attacked the police response when her daughters were reported missing, accusing officers of “making assumptions”, and she said: “I knew instantly why they didn’t care. They didn’t care because they looked at my daughter’s address and thought they knew who she was. A black woman who lives on a council estate.”
Would you like to accuse her of making things up?

Furret enjoy your walk.
I doubt anyone will bother about your post.

lemongrove

Have you not read the post by Chewbacca on police procedure for missing persons?
The police receive so many calls on this subject that they have to prioritise.
Why shouldn’t friends and family mount their own search when they knew where the women had been.....I certainly would have done, and so would most worried people.

Spot on!

Then I suggest you re-read my post which clearly referred to GN not this thread. And by GN I meant GN. My choice of word was quite deliberate. So stop digging yourself into a hole.

Chewbacca you have entirely missed my point.

This is why GN is such an aggressive and useless way to debate anything. Anyway you can all have a moan as I’m off to seek more intellectually challenging company and walk my dog.

And before you all go ape-shit that was tongue in cheek - but the ‘swear’ word was deliberate to give you something to get your teeth into...actually that was badly worded but what the hell. Go for it laydees ?

my son is half oriental/scots and has not at anytime been treated unfairly or racist remarks.as a police officer except members of the public who have made racist remarks about him.

Have you not read the post by Chewbacca on police procedure for missing persons?
The police receive so many calls on this subject that they have to prioritise.
Why shouldn’t friends and family mount their own search when they knew where the women had been.....I certainly would have done, and so would most worried people.

If you want to know my thoughts and opinions on this Furret, scroll back and find them. I'm not going to spoon feed you.

Yes, on this thread since we are actually on this thread!

The facts we do have is that the police chose not to respond to a request to search for the two women, so a friend mounted his own search and found their bodies.

Define what you mean by ‘on here’. Are you referring to this thread?