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Institutional racism in the police?

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trisher Sat 27-Jun-20 09:31:51

The news about the murdered sisters in London, the police's first lack of action then the photographs taken at the scene must have shocked everyone. The dignified and measured interview their mother has given couldn't fail to impress. So is she right can these photographs be compared with those taken at lynchings in the US? And is this the real proof that there is still racism in the police?

Anniebach Sat 27-Jun-20 09:52:25

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Baggs Sat 27-Jun-20 10:04:23

Don't police take pics for evidence purposes?

Baggs Sat 27-Jun-20 10:06:52

Shouldn't be made public though.

GagaJo Sat 27-Jun-20 10:11:10

The UK police have been found time and time again to be institutionally racist. I would go as far as saying they're infected with racism.

I think it needs a massive overhaul. Lots of money thrown at changing the culture both from the top and the bottom. Zero tolerance for any racism.

Imagine if the general public were as outraged by institutional racism in the police as they were by anti semitism in the Labour Party.

TerriBull Sat 27-Jun-20 10:27:51

I was appalled to hear the women's mother talking about the police posing for pictures with the murdered sisters. We had an incident a few years ago in my neck of the woods, when a boy from around here on a moped had a collision with a vehicle and as he lay dying on one of our bridges over the river, some members of the public were trying to take pictures on their phones, until the emergency services screened off the accident scene. Shocking behaviour sad

Anniebach Sat 27-Jun-20 10:37:23

It seems taking pictures on phones of anything involving tragedies is common place now,

GrannyGravy13 Sat 27-Jun-20 10:50:41

I think that there are bad apples in all walks of life. I do not think that it is correct to tarnish the whole of the Police Force due to the actions of the Officers involved in this case.

Niobe Sat 27-Jun-20 10:52:01

Annie, two sisters were murdered and the photos taken by the policemen of themselves with the bodies were posted on social media. Presumably for entertainment.
These policemen need to be named and have custodial sentences.

trisher Sat 27-Jun-20 10:57:52

For those who don't seem to know the pictures were selfies of the policemen with the bodies that they then shared with their friends. I suspect that 2 black women partying in a London park were viewed as of little consequence. Perhaps that's why a search wasn't insituted and the family had to find them themselves. It must have been a real shock to find out the women were well connected, their mother being the first black woman Arch Deacon.

EllanVannin Sat 27-Jun-20 11:19:09

There always has been. Things will never change.

I'm disgusted with the behaviour of those officers. It's beyond contempt !

trisher Sat 27-Jun-20 11:22:58

But you don't share things unless you know that there will be people you know who will appreciate them, so it isn't just the 2 officers involved.

Blinko Sat 27-Jun-20 11:27:33

But you don't share things unless you know that there will be people you know who will appreciate them, so it isn't just the 2 officers involved.

Absolutely right. A prime example of institutional racism, in my book. Police Commissioner Cressida Dick was clearly appalled. I hope it's not just these two officers who are punished and held up as examples, but also their mates who presumably did nothing to stop them.

Anniebach Sat 27-Jun-20 11:38:04

trisher if I have the dates right, the sisters went to the park
party on the 6th and were found on the 7th ?

maddyone Sat 27-Jun-20 11:44:51

An appalling and senseless murder, compounded by disgraceful behaviour by two police officers.

Anniebach Sat 27-Jun-20 12:07:00

I agree maddy but why can it not be discussed calmly,
if the poor girls were missing for one night how can it be
claimed there was lack of action by the police

trisher Sat 27-Jun-20 12:34:22

Annie the women were partying in the park, when the family couldn't contact them afterwards they reported this to the police. When nothing was happening they instituted their own search and found the bodies. Now surely the police could have asked a police or community officer to just walk through and look round where they were last seen. If the family hadn't looked who knows when the bodies would have been found?

sodapop Sat 27-Jun-20 12:35:01

I find the whole thing disturbing, there seems to have been little effort put into solving these murders if that's what they are. There has been hardly any information given out publicly, its all very strange.

Callistemon Sat 27-Jun-20 12:43:06

Baggs

Don't police take pics for evidence purposes?

Not selfies Baggs, which is what these two disgraceful, unprofessional individuals did. They have been arrested and quite right too.
Yes, a police photographer SOCO, would take photographs of the scene.

In contrast, their mother is so dignified and she puts others to shame. I hope her faith can sustain her.

In answer to your question, trisher, I don't think so but perhaps London is different to other areas. There are always rogue police officers, sadly, and the sooner the are rooted out the better.

Unfortunately, this could be distracting from finding the murderer and I hope they do find the culprit soon.

Anniebach Sat 27-Jun-20 12:46:22

trisher the sisters were at a party in a park, they were not of
vulnerable age. The police forces receive so many calls for people not coming home after being out for an evening , they
can’t respond to every call, they do respond immediately when a child is missing but a woman in her 40’s and a woman in her 20’s at a party

trisher Sat 27-Jun-20 12:59:41

It doesn't take much for a community officer to simply check the area Annie particularly as it was a park. It must be on someone's beat. They didn't even bother to look. That's why community officers are there to check public places. One call, one officer, little time.
I watched a video the other day of a young black man who was stopped and searched in London. He didn't say "no" he simply asked why the officer wanted to search him. The officer responded by trying to handcuff him and calling for back up. There were ten officers there in no time. That's 12 officers, the young man was searched and nothing was found. He was let go. But no-one could look in a park?

Iam64 Sat 27-Jun-20 13:01:27

I saw Cressida Dick questioned about this appalling behaviour by two police officers. She made no attempt to hide behind the ongoing investigation into the actions of these two men. She issued what seemed a heart felt and genuine apology on behalf of the Met.
Absolutely shocking. There will be some racist officers in the police. The police reflect society and sadly, we do have racist members in our communities. Just read some of the discussions on gransnet and be stunned by some of the comments.
My experience of working with the police is that their training programmes make every effort to ensure racism isn't tolerated. Yes of course, more needs to be done. In the current case, anyone involved should lose their job and where possible, be prosecuted.

lemongrove Sat 27-Jun-20 13:12:40

Anniebach

trisher the sisters were at a party in a park, they were not of
vulnerable age. The police forces receive so many calls for people not coming home after being out for an evening , they
can’t respond to every call, they do respond immediately when a child is missing but a woman in her 40’s and a woman in her 20’s at a party

Annie is quite correct, a child going missing overnight is another matter, but they were grown women attending a big party.
The police do not routinely get involved until after a much longer absence.This has nothing to do with what colour people are.
The two officers guarding the scene and taking selfies is appalling, and to me epitomises the trend for taking pics of anything happening, no matter how awful.Instead of helping when there is an incident, the public at large often take pics on their phones.
Listening to their Mother ( of the murdered sisters) on the
radio I was moved by how dignified she sounded and any mother would empathise had this been even one daughter, let alone two.A shocking crime compounded by shocking behaviour of the two officers.I hope they will catch the murderer, but it may not be soon as there were so many people at the party in the park.

trisher Sat 27-Jun-20 13:19:37

It's wrong anyway. The party was on Friday. The bodies were found on Sunday
The sisters' bodies were found shortly after 13:00 on Sunday and post-mortem tests revealed they both died from multiple stab wounds.

Smileless2012 Sat 27-Jun-20 13:22:02

I agree with Annie bearing in mind the sisters ages and they were at a party, an immediate response from the police when they didn't come home IMO isn't an issue.

As for the selfies, I just hope there's some provision within the law that can have them locked up.