Institutional racism in the police?

All I can see is that we are united in thinking that what those two officers did was an appalling act.
We do not have the facts of this case, only the police do, so if there are legitimate faults with police procedure around the handling of the missing persons call, it will come out in due course.

Forgetting your indignation at trishers opening statement...do you not agree with the rest of her post?

You see it’s important to look beyond something which might offend us personally and look at the substance of a post.

I’ve had this happen twice in a matter of minutes when someone who is clearly incapable of coherent discussion responded in this manner, but surely you are better than that chewbacca?

Furret

Really, you want me to spell it out? I’m not into spoon feeding supposedly literate adults.

You are certainly doing something with a spoon.
Yes, spell it out, say which posts on here are ‘racist’.

Furret

For heavens sake - do you understand what institutionally means GG13. No one accused your family of being racist police officers. On another thread I pointed out it is 27 years since the Stephen Laurence murder. We clearly have not moved of 27 years worth of improvement.

And this while country harbours very many closet racists than you might think. Just reading some of the posts on GN (I’m sure you know who I mean) proves my points l,

I do understand institutionally thank you.

I did not say that you accused my extended family members of being racist.

Really, you want me to spell it out? I’m not into spoon feeding supposedly literate adults.

trisher

Chewbacca I posted my opinion when you claimed it had no basis I posted the mother's statement which you ignored. We know from experience that it is possible for police forces to become influenced and dominated by ideas and cultures that most people would find unacceptable. This does not mean that every police officer subscribes to those beliefs just that they dominate. The Met in particular has a checkered history, but let's also not forget the Ulster Constabulary where the cultural divide was so embedded the only solution was to disband it. About Met corruption in 2015 www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain

I beg your pardon trisher? Are you quite sure that I claimed it had no basis. Are you quite sure that I ignored the mother's statement?

My first post on this thread was at 15.00 yesterday in which I said that there were 2 issues here. I posted The actions of the 2 police officers who took photographs of the 2 sisters is a different matter and, in itself, was a horrible and unforgivable act. It's difficult to conclude that racism didn't play a part in their actions.

I then posted a direct extract from the MissingPeople website regarding the procedure3for reporting a missing person.

How dare you claim that I said that this crime had no basis; are you out of your mind? I would normally report a lying, inaccurate and malicious post but, as you're obviously quite proud of it, I'll let it stay up so that others can judge you.

Which posts here are ‘racist’ Furret because actually nothing proves your point except you are indulging in vague finger pointing.

For heavens sake - do you understand what institutionally means GG13. No one accused your family of being racist police officers. On another thread I pointed out it is 27 years since the Stephen Laurence murder. We clearly have not moved of 27 years worth of improvement.

And this while country harbours very many closet racists than you might think. Just reading some of the posts on GN (I’m sure you know who I mean) proves my points l,

We do not know that the police not acting sooner or the police officers taking selfies was ‘racially motivated’ and before somebody gets immediately angry about that comment, I would think that part of the ‘not acting sooner’ was down to procedure and perhaps ( only perhaps, because all of this thread is really conjecture on our part) the police in London are very stretched at the minute with all that’s going on including street parties that shouldn’t be happening.
The two officers did an awful thing, in taking photos of themselves and the victims, but think on this, they may well have done the same if the victims were white women, white men, or any ethnicity at all.It may have been their first murder scene.The predilection for taking pics of the most disturbing scenes is rampant in our society.They knew they were doing wrong and in my view should be sacked, but let’s not assume it was a racist act, because it may well not have been, it was simply a terrible thing to do regardless of colour.

The mother assumed the police were racist because they didn’t immediately respond to a report that two women were
at a party in a park and were not answering their phones.

My post this morning was to explain I have had experience of
much which is being discussed on this thread. Yes I post of personal events , always have done , will continue to do so.

Chewbacca I posted my opinion when you claimed it had no basis I posted the mother's statement which you ignored. We know from experience that it is possible for police forces to become influenced and dominated by ideas and cultures that most people would find unacceptable. This does not mean that every police officer subscribes to those beliefs just that they dominate. The Met in particular has a checkered history, but let's also not forget the Ulster Constabulary where the cultural divide was so embedded the only solution was to disband it. About Met corruption in 2015 www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-shocking-truth-about-police-corruption-in-britain

There are always going to be bad apples in every organisation, but they should not be allowed to tarnish the hard working, loyal and brave majority.

No one is disputing that the selfie Officers were in the wrong, of course their actions were totally abhorrent and have made a grieving mothers situation worse.

I suppose that's exactly what I'm saying Furret. I don't believe that every police officer in the UK is a racist, bigoted, corrupt thug. I do believe that there are a minority of police officers who are racist, bigoted and corrupt and need to be kicked out with a prison sentence where appropriate, no golden handshake or final salary pension . I do believe that the police force is trying to address the mistakes they made in the past and to create a better, fairer, more socially aware force for the future. I do believe that the majority of police officers are decent, dedicated and committed to serving the community they work for.

I believe this because I flatly refuse to believe that the police, like any other strata of society, is defined by a minority of its members.

Furret

chewbacca if you are trying to say that the police force is not institutionally racist then you are on a very sticky wicket.

We have 3 serving police officers in our extended family, along with many friends in the police force.

I find your accusations insulting to all the hardworking officers who put their lives on the line in order that you and your family along with the rest of the UK are kept safe!!!!

chewbacca if you are trying to say that the police force is not institutionally racist then you are on a very sticky wicket.

No arguments there Furret ?

Yes, it's sick perversion.

Disgusting. Taking selfies with murdered women is the action of perverts. And ... they thought they could share them with impunity. That says a lot about the mindset of them and their cronies.

I agree with maddyone and Callistemon

I do not think the bullying posts should be deleted.........leave them here so that others posting can see the moral fibre of some of GN contributors.

And Chewbacca ?

Well said, maddyone

Some people's compassion has limits, doesn't it. Strange that it does not extend to other posters on GN but in fact, they like to bully and belittle a poster instead.

It a terrible thing to have happened to anyone black or white and the police officers who took selfies need to be sacked.

But when the family member phoned the police or dialled 999 how did they know if the missing persons were black or white it wouldn't come into the conversation.

They were grown women at a party perhaps in hindsight they should have gone home with their friends, but lots of women and men stay out all night, I've done it myself when I was younger.

Yes trisher everyone has agreed that those police officers acted in a deplorable, disgusting and reprehensible way and they were probably fuelled by racism. That has been recognised by the majority on this thread, the public at large and the police service federation who have promised to resolve it. Not every police officer is racist. A minority are and they are systematically being rooted out and dealt with, but your desperation to inflate the actual numbers who are racist is reducing your credibility of reasoning. Why make up statements like "2 black women are regarded as the sort who would go missing for a night. (because that's how black women behave)? There's no need to add made up "facts" to this tragedy, their sad enough as they are without you adding your own fictionalised "must have beens".

You started this thread as a damned good subject to discuss trisher but you're turning it into a parody of made up statements, for some reason that I can't understand, and to hound one particular poster that you have a personal problem with. And it shows.

I’m quite frankly appalled by some of the comments addressed to Anniebach.
Annie is neither heartless nor racist. I know she is does not have a heart of stone because of the great kindness and support she offered to me at an extremely difficult time in my life. This is a fact. Also she was in a relationship with a black man, I’m not sure if this was her husband but am assuming it was, and either way, relationship or married, she is not a racist because racists do not enter into relationships with people of other races. I’m assuming Annie is not black as she says she suffered racial abuse for being with a black man.
Look for something else to discuss and stop this shameful bullying of another poster.