Johnson and a new deal

Ramblingrose22

growstuff - I think Grandad would be mortified at your suggestion that he has an affinity with right wingers.

So far I have found him to be quite respectful - unlike so many left wingers' posts I have seen on Twitter and FB. They're not interested in any kind of debate. They just want to throw personal insults because they don't know how to argue.

Let's hope that planning restrictions will not be relaxed so much that people will cash in and be allowed to build 2-storey houses in their back gardens (worse than "beds in sheds"), that the new houses to be built will not be rabbit hutches and that they will be affordable for those who so desperately need them.

He has been incredibly rude to me - ironically, for being a LibDem member while expressing views which are sometimes more "socialist" than his. I do not find his views consistent at all. He appears to be obsessed with Labour Party policy and protocol, whilst rarely expressing concern for those whom the Labour Party should be supporting. He seems to have a problem with me personally (which doesn't bother me that much) and is, at times, quite spiteful and refuses to enter discussion and prefers personal sneers.

I agree with the rest of your post.

Janpt

Maizie Don't talk such rubbish. The only ones likely to destroy the U.K. are the Marxist Labour party. Why can't you see them for what they are ? Just use some intelligence!!

Goodness. Now who was it we were told a few post back were rude?

Persuade me, Janpt

Maizie Don't talk such rubbish. The only ones likely to destroy the U.K. are the Marxist Labour party. Why can't you see them for what they are ? Just use some intelligence!!

GrannyGravy13

varian

You are right GG13. I wouldn't say that Theresa May is a BJ fan.

I now have two things in common with Theresa May, a love of shoes and deep dissatisfaction with Boris Johnson ??

You are right GG13. I wouldn't say that Theresa May is a BJ fan.

Jabberwok

Why is it that left wingers, apart from Grandad, are so flipping rude all the time on a personal level, making normal conversation virtually impossible?!

Why are you so rude, right wingers so rude, old people, young people, people in the middle. I rather think some of them, complaining, rudely and personally about others don't even realise they are considered ill mannered.

vegansrock

I wonder if the Boris fan club could criticise the government on anything?

Not every Conservative is a fan of Boris Johnson!

One minute Johnson fancies himself as another Churchill and today it's FDR's turn.

he obviously doesn't know the quote you have mentioned.

Who will it be tomorrow? Nelson Mandela?

“We have learned that we cannot live alone, at peace; that our own well-being is dependent on the well-being of nations far away. We have learned that we must live as men, and not as ostriches nor as dogs in the manger. We have learned to be citizens of the world, members of the human community.”
― Franklin D. Roosevelt

Doesn't sound much like a Brexiter.....

growstuff - I think Grandad would be mortified at your suggestion that he has an affinity with right wingers.

So far I have found him to be quite respectful - unlike so many left wingers' posts I have seen on Twitter and FB. They're not interested in any kind of debate. They just want to throw personal insults because they don't know how to argue.

Let's hope that planning restrictions will not be relaxed so much that people will cash in and be allowed to build 2-storey houses in their back gardens (worse than "beds in sheds"), that the new houses to be built will not be rabbit hutches and that they will be affordable for those who so desperately need them.

I wonder if the Boris fan club could criticise the government on anything?

When have I ever been rude jabberwok?

Jabberwok

Why is it that left wingers, apart from Grandad, are so flipping rude all the time on a personal level, making normal conversation virtually impossible?!

He's not rude to right wingers. I suspect there's an affinity.

The Conservatives have been bleating on about apprenticeships for years. I wonder what they're planning to do that they haven't done in the past. I agree with Davidhs that quality apprenticeships are needed.

I also agree with house building, but we've been there before with that one. The opposition is likely to come from the NIMBY Tory shire dwellers. Lots of potential for making a fast buck, especially for farmers whose businesses will be decimated.

Yes greta and varian, Johnson is a world leading liar and clown. We have the highest rate of deaths per 100,000 population in the G7 countries too - whoopee! What an achievement!

I am very pleased if we are going to build more houses - and that it will be done without any more corrupt interference from the Robert Jenricks of this world. Politicians shouldn't be allowed to overturn planning decisions made by Planning Inspectors.

Does anyone know if the money offered new money ? I do hope so.

We are world leaders in allowing the covid 19 virus to spread uncontrolled, well perhaps third in the world after the USA and Brazil.

The top three populist leaders Trump, Bolsinaro and Johnson are good at getting elected by lying through their teeth and spending huge amounts of money to fool the most gullible electors, but absolutely useless at governing for the good of the people who elected them.

Our future looks bright because, according to Boris Johnson, we are world leaders in almost every field. And now we are going to spend what amounts to £100 per person to kickstart the economy. Also, rejoice, we have a new mantra: Build, Build, Build. We shall build ”better, greener and faster.” Please, Prime Minister, spare us the meaningless soundbites. They are getting tiresome.

Increased Apprenticeships

Yes, if they are actually completed to the point where a qualified experienced craftsperson graduates, in recent years that has been a very low rate.

So Grandad, you would rather have a Tory government than work with the current leadership of the Labour Party? The words nose and face come to mind.

GrannyGravy13

I think you would need a heart of stone not to realise that many many families are going to need extra support as we emerge from lockdown .

Investing in infrastructure is a start. Apparently the Government is also investing in more apprenticeships which can only be a good thing surely?

That will be interesting then as they have had little success with apprenticeships so far and … the government hasn't invested in them. They have extracted a levy from companies. If companies take people on as apprenticeships they can draw down on this to pay for the training. If they don't take on an apprentice and use the training available then the government takes a sliver of that years levy. The next year it takes another sliver and so on. It is in the governments interest that the companies don't take on/train apprentices.

It would make sense if it went on to provide training for companies to small to pay the levy but the government has been grinding Further Education Colleges into the ground for the last 10 years.

“Who writes these inane speeches?“

Nobody does he ad libs the whole time, I thought today’s effort was the worst yet.

Back to the New Deal. FDR's spending included large sums on armaments which I trust Johnson doesn't have plans to do. In 2019 the US spent 732 billion dollars whilst the UK spent 48.7 billion dollars.

Cummings seems to be very good with numbers. So many new plans get announced it's difficult to keep track. I suspect that some fall by the wayside without us noticing.

Grandad1943

As a person who has always supported strong left-wing social policies, I will be overjoyed if such strategies come about to alleviate the worst employment effects of the Covid-19 crisis.

If those economic strategies and spending come from a Tory administration, so be it, I will still be overjoyed.

After all, Britain never did witness such policies being brought forward during the twelve years of the Blair administration. Therefore as a true left-wing socialist, I will gratefully accept such socialist actions from whatever political source they may emerge from.

Hear hear Grandad1943 ??????