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Epstein/Maxwell/Prin ce Andrew

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MawB Thu 02-Jul-20 15:11:11

The FBI has arrested British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell, an ex-girlfriend of the disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein.
She was reportedly arrested in New Hampshire on charges related to Epstein and is due in federal court later.
She has apparently denied any involvement in or knowledge of Epstein's alleged sexual misconduct.
Epstein died in prison on 10 August as he awaited, without the chance of bail, his trial on sex trafficking charges.
He was arrested last year in New York following allegations that he was running a network of underage girls - some as young as 14 - for sex. His death was determined to be suicide.

Well, I wonder if this “plot is thickening” ?

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 08:20:18

Thank you Chewbacca, so if she can’t be made to come to this country how can Andrew be forced to go to America

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jul-20 08:24:01

I’m not sure that linking the two cases is the right thing to do tbh. Both have questions to answer.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 08:28:25

yes both have questions to answer, but if an American can’t
be forced to come to the U.K. then a Brit can’t be forced to go
to America

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jul-20 09:00:56

If she is as has been suggested a member of the CIA, then different rules will apply than to Windsor.

I’m not saying I agree btw

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 09:06:16

If she has

Oldwoman70 Wed 15-Jul-20 09:26:28

PA should meet with the investigators face to face - I am sure they would agree to that meeting taking place in UK. They want to question him as a possible witness - not as a suspect. His refusing to meet with them to answer their questions but just sending a prepared statement merely adds to the rumours that he has something to hide.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 09:41:19

Has the woman who killed the young man been questioned
by anyone from this country ?

Iam64 Wed 15-Jul-20 09:45:34

No Mrs S left the country before the police spoke to her.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 09:50:31

Thank you Iam. Do you know if she has been questioned
by our police in America ? I know the young man’s parents went to America

Iam64 Wed 15-Jul-20 09:51:24

So far as I know, she is refusing to be questioned at all. that position is supported by her President.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 09:54:51

Thank you Iam so no difference between the two

Oldwoman70 Wed 15-Jul-20 10:10:31

The two cases are completely different. The American woman needs to be questioned as a suspect. Investigators want to question PA as a possible WITNESS - there is a big difference. As I have said before his refusal to meet with them merely adds fire to the rumours he has something to hide.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 10:14:59

An American can refused to answer questions but a Brit can’t,
One is guilty of a crime, one may be guilty of a crime.

Galaxy Wed 15-Jul-20 11:53:58

We should want to behave better though, it's not a race to the bottom.

Ilovecheese Wed 15-Jul-20 12:11:51

Surely though he should not need to be compelled. A decent person would volunteer to answer questions would they not?

sodapop Wed 15-Jul-20 12:31:38

I agree Galaxy it should be a matter of integrity.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 12:38:06

I am speaking not of what is the decent thing to do, but the
Americans on tv demanding a Brit answers questions but I doubt there has been any publicity about an American refusing to answer questions .

eazybee Wed 15-Jul-20 13:15:23

Prince Andrew should agree to be questioned, then he can face them down.
Something along the lines of : " I did not have sex with that woman!"
Then they can pursue their questioning of Clinton, who also appears in photographs at some of Epstein's social events, and other American notables.

Iam64 Wed 15-Jul-20 13:44:25

One wrong doesn't make a right, or so I was brought up to believe and nothing in my adult life has changed my belief.

The two cases are not the same. As Oldwoman said, PA is being asked to be interviewed as a witness.

Anne Secolas caused death by dangerous driving, well that is the simplest description I can find for what she did. It doesn't seem to be a situation where I should say "it is alleged that she caused death by dangerous driving". She then left the country, in the full knowledge that the local police wanted to interview her. That is shoddy behaviour by any standard. For the President to shield her stinks.

PA acknowledges he was a friend of J.Epstein. He says that after Epstein served a sentence for sex offences against minors, his "sense of honour" led him to fly to New York and spend 4 nights staying with Epstein. He did this because his sense of honour is such that he couldn't end a friendship with a phone call. The FBI is conducting a thorough investigation into Epstein's behaviour and the behaviour of his friends, as alleged by numerous women. The women share a history of being vulnerable girls, sexually exploited and trafficked it is said, by Epstein and his friend G Maxwell.

I suspect we all understand why these two people, facing very different challenges are taking the same path and refusing to cooperate.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jul-20 15:12:13

Right this is what she is being charged with, and anyone having seen the Epstein documentary won’t be surprised.

Conspiracy to entice minors to travel to engage in illicit sexual acts.

Conspiracy to transport minors with the intent to engage in illegal sexual acts

Conspiracy to transport minors to engage in criminal sexual activity

Perjury.

If convicted Maxwell faces 35 years in prison.

When facing arrest Maxwell tried to flee.

Maxwell is also not being forthcoming over her income. She maintains that her monthly income is zero.

Maxwell also said that she doesn’t know the name of the company that owns the house she is/was living in. Apparently she is “just permitted to live in the house”

However, an estate agent Involved in the properties sale said that a couple with British accents bought the house and the woman said her name was Janet Marshall. In fact it was Maxwell.

Maxwells lawyers argued that she might catch covid in prison, and it wasn’t fair (or some such nonsense)

Judge denied bail as Maxwell considered a high flight risk.

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 15:18:53

True the two cases are not the same, a 19 year boy is dead , his parents grieving. Silly me to even think of justice for this family.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 15-Jul-20 15:27:24

Anniebach

True the two cases are not the same, a 19 year boy is dead , his parents grieving. Silly me to even think of justice for this family.

Strange thing to say?

Anniebach Wed 15-Jul-20 16:50:29

Not strange, I have given my opinion on the American Justice
System.

Would i put my faith in it ? No.

Ilovecheese Wed 15-Jul-20 17:02:16

What an earth makes you think you are the only person who wants justice for the boys family Anniebach The two cases are entirely separate. This country does not have to sink to the level of another system just to protect a member of the royal family.

Drum1234 Wed 15-Jul-20 18:02:58

This thread is about whether Prince Andrew should face questioning as a witness in America. It is not about whether Anne Secolas should face questioning here. To reason that she is not coming here therefore Prince Andrew should not go there is a flawed argument. I think most people would agree that he should go to America to be questioned, and she should come here to be questioned. But it doesn't mean that if one of them isn't questioned, the other one shouldn't be. If I committed an offence in London, and someone else committed an offence in my town, it would be a very weak argument that I shouldn't be questioned unless they were.