Epstein/Maxwell/Prin ce Andrew

Lucca - love your reflection on whether if MawB started a thread on fluffy kittens...

I watched the Netflix Filthy Rich documentary as well. You're right it was sickening and leaves little (if any) doubt that GM was in it up to her neck.
It was an excellent, well researched programme that exposed the corruption in the initial investigation and imprisonment of Epstein. We can only hope the FBI is determined its own investigation is beyond reproach

mumofmadboys

Poor Queen.

Google March the 5th 2013. International arrest warrent.
Royal families through centuries are rarely innocent of knowledge.

Trial due to start July 2021.

Maxwell asking for bail, pleaded not guilty. but prosecution are saying that she is a severe escape risk and her manner of arrest showed this as she tried to escape from the FBI. She certainly didn’t give up quietly.

Apparently she wrapped her mobile phone in tinfoil in an effort to stop it being tracked.

If she's going to be kept incarcerated for 12 months, I think she'll be so desperate to do anything to lessen her time in jail, that she'll sing like a canary about who else was involved. I think I saw something in the news yesterday, that the US lawyers on the case are expecting the UK government to make the decision as to whether PA will be required to attend to give information. Apparently a Mutual Legal Assistance request has already been submitted.

There is no way this government will say Windsor should give evidence

No, I agree WW; it's highly unlikely. But that, in itself, would speak volumes wouldn't it?

I don't know how reliable SKY News is, but I've found this:

Karen Todner, who dealt with attempts to extradite computer hacker Gary McKinnon and alleged hacker Lauri Love to the US, told Sky News an MLA makes it virtually impossible for the UK government and Home Office to avoid the ongoing battle with Prince Andrew and they will inevitably be involved.

Home office guidelines say the department will not confirm or deny the existance of an MLA.

She said: "From my understanding the Americans are not happy about Prince Andrew giving
a prepared statement, that's not what they want from him, they want to have the opportunity to ask him questions and for him to be under oath when he does that.
She added: "Prince Andrew doesn't have diplomatic immunity so if the process has started it will follow through. There are various reasons that the UK authorities would have to look at to show that the mutual legal assistance request was valid, that it was asked for the right reasons, but I can't see any issues with that at the moment."

Asked how long that process may take, Ms Todner said: "I think it'll certainly be resolved within the next six months or so, if his legal team decide to judicially review the issuing of the mutual legal assistance request that in itself can take anything up to a year.

I don’t know why, but I assumed the RF had diplomatic immunity.

Yes, me too, which is why I'm not sure about the veracity of SKY.

A quick Google.....

The Royal Family are not diplomats, so they don't have diplomatic immunity. ... So that's almost as good as diplomatic immunity. As for her Majesty the Queen, all law flows from her in any Commonwealth realms. So she's immune to prosecution because she IS the prosecution.

However

The monarch is immune from arrest in all cases; members of the royal household are immune from arrest in civil proceedings. No arrest can be made "in the monarch's presence", or within the "verges" of a royal palace.

Says nothing about criminal proceedings but then PA is probably setting a precedent.

Just googled it. They haven’t. The Queen as something called sovereign immunity whatever that arcane rule is, but no one else.

Snap, except yours is a better answer than mine

HRH is going to be between a rock and a hard place on this.

The American woman who drove on the wrong side of the road in England didn’t have to come to England to be questioned .

No she wasn't Annie, and imo, she certainly should have been forced to come back and face justice. But she is the wife of a diplomat and so was covered by his diplomatic immunity. The RF are not diplomats and so, apparently, have no such immunity. I've only just discovered this today and was surprised tbh.

Chewbacca, I read that Anne Secolas is employed by the CIA. I wonder if that added to the special treatment and refusal by the Potus to tell this woman to return to the UK and cooperate with an investigation.

Callistemon

Apparently she wrapped her mobile phone in tinfoil in an effort to stop it being tracked.

Don’t try this at home kids - it clearly doesn’t work!

No it doesn't.

What are the chances of her being granted bail?

Pretty slim I should think.

When will we hear?

I don't think I've ever seen so many posts that have been deleted by Gransnet.Is this a record?

Anyway, I have read that G Maxwell is worth around $20 million and would like to know where she got it from because she apparently has had fairly minor jobs. I think we should be told whether this money came from her father whp defrauded the Daily Mirror pension fund, leaving hundreds of employees with little or no pension. (An eraly version of Philip Green)

Sorry early, not eraly

I thought she had been denied bail.
She then wanted to spend the pre-trial period in a luxury hotel but that was refused too.
At the moment she is in solitary confinement, which should bring her and any supporters some relief as she feared she could catch COVID19 in jail.

Oh thanks Callistemon
I saw the six o’clock news and that just said her lawyers had applied for bail but it was felt she was a high risk of bolting given her various psssports and great wealth.

The trial is this time next year!

Plenty of time for Andrew to stew !

Iam64 and Anniebach, forgive me, my post @ 21.19 wasn't entirely accurate. I said that Anne Sacoolas was the wife of a diplomat and was therefore claiming diplomatic immunity so as not to be brought back to the UK and face charges. I've gone back and checked my facts!

Mrs Sacoolas's husband was an American intelligence officer based at RAF Croughton. That gave him a certain level of diplomatic immunity. The British and US governments maintain that this meant that, as his wife, Mrs Sacoolas had immunity too.

This is being disputed by Sir Ivor Roberts due to:

....... a letter of agreement between the Foreign Office and the US ambassador to Britain in August 1995 about the American personnel at RAF Croughton. This says explicitly that diplomatic immunity for people like Mr Sacoolas would not apply for "acts performed outside the course of their duties".
"If Mr Sacoolas wasn't covered for acts outside his duties, Sir Ivor says, it would be absurd for" Mrs Sacoolas, who had no official position, to be immune from prosecution when her husband wasn't.

Perhaps they could do an exchange: Anne Sacoolas for PA. I'd vote for it.