Epstein/Maxwell/Prin ce Andrew

I rather think he is better off keeping quiet. I don’t condone his actions but I imagine legal counsel would advice him to keep quiet.

Oh maybe they weren’t married.
Apologies.

They most definitely weren’t married but I believe Epstein most definitely was murdered.

Couldn’t find the headline so I have created my own meme.

Has anyone suggested we swap PA for Ann Sacolas?

Do you thing opening a book on "date of death" would be a step too far!

Yes Olwoman I know that PA visited Epstein after his original (plea bargained/reduced sentence) that is why I am pretty certain that PA must have chosen to ignore the advice to stay away from him.

I believe Prince Andrew visited Epstein after his conviction because he was negotiating a loan from him on behalf of Sarah Ferguson. If the FBI have responded to Andrew's lawyers about interviewing him I am sure they will have the evidence to prove it. My opinion is that PA knew of Epstein's proclivities but didn't take an active part; I don't think underage girls are his thing, but I may be proved wrong. My opinion is based on absolutely no evidence whatsoever, simply instinct; he always seemed to be in thrall to his wife. I am sure there are dozens of photographs of prominent people with Epstein and his female companions, all ready for blackmail.
And I know I suggested, months ago, that Prince Andrew goes to America when Anne Sacoolas comes here.

"Do they feel entitled or is it - money buys what ever they want ," (Anniebach)

Oh yes. And there are some very rich people who do use their money without harming others

Yes there are , but why would Epstein feel entitled ?

Andrew is a fool, his status as a Prince was being used a part of the deception for all sorts of underhand and illegal activity. The girls were just part of it and he must have known they were there as inducements for various “clients“, or entrapping a prominent person with an underaged girl, that’s a serious issue, one of those clients arranged Epsteins suicide
Most probably Andrew enjoyed only the hospitality and the limelight, his best bet now is to say nothing until he gets called to give evidence. Stupidity is not a crime but he will be disgraced.

Most probably Andrew enjoyed only the hospitality I suppose that includes lots of stuff according to your definition of 'hospitality' I would imagine PA's is pretty wide and includes women he regards as being available. His father isn't exactly a role model of fidelity and morals.

Most men aren’t trisher. Those that aren’t in the public eye don’t come under such close scrutiny but men are men regardless.

tickingbird They may or may not be, but I think most men would, if they thought there were girls involved who had been trafficked, ask their lawyers to find a way they could help with the prosecution of those responsible, even if that was difficult. However if they knew that by doing so they would incriminate themselves things would be different. They would stay away.

Possibly but there’s an awful lot of supposition with this case. I’m no fan of PA but he seems to be on trial by by media here. Also the mysterious death of Epstein, the lack of media interest in Clinton plus the huge amount of money Epstein had in his coffers,

I read an account yesterday of some woman purporting to have been ‘raped’ 30-40 times by Ghislaine Maxwell. She tells of being beaten, threatened with death and dumped naked on her parents’ front lawn. I smell fantasist in her case. I’m not defending anyone here but the media should be made to stop publishing lurid stories. The compensation claims will no doubt follow with the American lawyers rubbing their greedy hands.

Agree tickingbird a girl is beaten up, dumped naked on her parents front lawn ? No police called , no assault recorded

i think we should be wary of victim blaming.
we don't know the details of the allegations.
and it is hard to even imagine the world that these victims were caught up in. that is one reason why it was is so hard to get out of it or report it.
the more hideous it is, the more outlandish ?unbelievable it sounds. similarly like the girls groomed and abused in uk.

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Could it look worse?

She is cute enough to have insurance , I bet all the facts are tucked away somewhere in case she has an accident ...

Watching “Filthy Money” on Netflix.

Absolutely no one would say either Epstein or Maxwell are innocent, and that victims of their perversion are at fault.

The children, all girls ranged from 12 years old upwards.

Every child told exactly the same story. It usually began with a massage and it progressed from there. Money was exchanged.

Sexual predators are good at identifying vulnerable victims and exploiting these young girls.

The adolescent brain is unable to deal with the exploitation that is involved.

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It is a question of “girls” it is thousands of children.

Epstein lied from a very young age getting a teaching post in NY lying about the fact that he had a degree. He self styled his status as Professor.

I do hope there are not any fantasists, or people hoping to jump on the bandwagon for they will make it all the easier for the defence lawyers to paint genuine victims the same way. Whether one believes that PA was actively involved, or that he was 'just' arrogant and stupid enough to disregard the advice that we assume he was given, the fact remains that he socialised with people who had been convicted (in Epstein's case, at least) of crimes involving young girls. PA has two daughters and I just can't get my head around his ability to see his daughters and these girls, someone else's daughters, as being different.