Eat Out to Help Out.

Basically if the general public do not support businesses, whether they be retail or hospitality they will disappear from our High Streets.

It is a worrying time for anyone with a Private Pension, ISA's or Investments that they rely on to top up their State Pension as the returns on most are vanishing before their eyes.

Nobody should be made to feel it's their duty to support pubs, restaurants and high street eateries.

The discount will benefit families who will hopefully take advantage of the chance to eat out more frequently during the holidays. Older people may be more cautious and seek out quieter places.

I won't feel guilty if we fail to take part in Eat Out to Help Out but if we find somewhere suitable where we feel safe, we definitely will.

This is the main issue - confidence

Anneliese Dodds
@AnnelieseDodds

Families aren’t staying at home because they're waiting for a tenner off their meal.

They're staying at home because they're still worried about coronavirus.

We don’t just need incentives. We need confidence.

I'm all in favour of supporting the economy but in my own way. Going out for a meal or drink would help, of course, short term (not that I feel inclined to yet).

However, I'm not convinced it's safe enough. Any 'second wave' could be really disastrous, causing further economic damage, winter lockdowns, maybe an overwhelmed NHS.

We're just not out of the woods yet. Worldwide, the pandemic is really taking off now.

Furret my post at 07:50 today did not judge anyone. It stated that "there are those on here who obviously do not wish to carry out such action, and in that demonstrate they care little for anyone else but themselves"

The above, in my opinion, is stating fact by way of what some forum members in this thread have given as reasons for not wishing to "go out and spend so as to preserve jobs".

It would seem there are also in this thread forum members who look for nothing else but to be offended rather than to actually debate the matter in question.

In that, it would be better to question and debate what a forum member has stated rather than resorting to personal attack. In that action, the personal attack poster demonstrates they have lost the argument.

GG13 I would hope that ant government with even the poorest business acumen would realise investing in the green economy is the way to get industry moving and help the environment.

So much needs to be done from a comprehensive network of electrical charge points nationwide to making houses more energy efficient. It’s a vast area and now is the time to move this agenda to the top.

GrannyGravy13

Basically if the general public do not support businesses, whether they be retail or hospitality they will disappear from our High Streets.

It is a worrying time for anyone with a Private Pension, ISA's or Investments that they rely on to top up their State Pension as the returns on most are vanishing before their eyes.

I get the theory, but I still maintain it's an inefficient way to do it. It's the kind of thing a GCSE Economics pupil would dream up. It's also unfair because many people can't afford to eat out. They're literally struggling to buy food to put on their own tables, but they will have to pay for these PR stunts with their taxes.

I feel the money this gimmick will cost would be better spent on developing a proper test and track system, so all people will venture out because there is genuinely minimal risk.

I’m not even going to waste my time ‘debating’ with someone who thinks that ‘ there are those on here who obviously do not wish to carry out such action, and in that demonstrate they care little for anyone else but themselves‘ isn’t rude and judgement.

You will not sway people to your ‘opinion’ like this.

So an opinion can never be judgemental? Really? A judgement was clear in your post - those who don’t want to eat out don’t care about people being made redundant. You are so Humpty Dumpty grandad ( and that’s a sound judgment based on evidence and not an opinion)

And that’s it in a nutshell GrannyGravy13

That is the point a few of us have been trying to make.

Why Grandad’s post along the same lines has caused so much anger from the usual suspects is beyond me.

Look, the Chancellor has admitted that, sadly, he can’t promise to save every business, but he and the government are doing their utmost to help as many as possible.

This is not the whole story though is it?

We have to do our bit by supporting shops restaurants restaurants etc or life as we know it will never be the same again.

I notice that you are all saying that We will go to our favourite restaurant/pub. Well I will be going nowhere, as I don't wish to sit there as "Billy no Mates". This incentive is of no benefit to me, or others who live alone and comes in the same week that it is announced that we are going to be pursued for near £200 for the privilege of watching TV.

"To them that hath shall be given"........

We don’t have to do anything JE that round worry us or make us feel uncomfortable.

JenniferEccles

And that’s it in a nutshell GrannyGravy13

That is the point a few of us have been trying to make.

Why Grandad’s post along the same lines has caused so much anger from the usual suspects is beyond me.

Look, the Chancellor has admitted that, sadly, he can’t promise to save every business, but he and the government are doing their utmost to help as many as possible.

This is not the whole story though is it?

We have to do our bit by supporting shops restaurants restaurants etc or life as we know it will never be the same again.

I am sure people will do their bit once confidence returns.

People according to laissez faire economics which I’m sure you support action rationally and in their best interests.

That is why the economy is going to struggle to recover.

Round= would

GrannyGravy13

Basically if the general public do not support businesses, whether they be retail or hospitality they will disappear from our High Streets.

It is a worrying time for anyone with a Private Pension, ISA's or Investments that they rely on to top up their State Pension as the returns on most are vanishing before their eyes.

You are very correct in what you state in your above post GrannyGravy13.

It is expected that the FTSE 100 index will fall below six thousand today whereas three months ago it was approaching eight and a half thousand.

If that fall is sustained that will impact large numbers worldwide with private pension and investments both pending and possibly already payable.

The above may well turn out to be the second financial impact of the Covid-19 crisis beyond the huge numbers of job losses being announced.

The above are the two reasons I strongly support the government call to "go out and spend" for there is little else that anyone can do in what is turning out to be this Coronavirus disaster.

Furret

And that sums the situation up very well TerriBull. Our town thrives on tourism and it’s student population, and small independent shops, cafes and bistros are everywhere. No one wants those businesses to fail.

As one of EV’s ‘usual suspects’ (cliché alert?) perhaps she hadn’t read this?

Pedant alert!

‘....its student population...’

My first choice is to be alive and healthy. My brother has ongoing health issues despite surviving C19.

I’m not taking additional risks. It’s a pandemic, with heading towards 60,000 dead. I’m in an at risk group. I don’t have the luxury of being able to isolate because I have to work so I’m not adding to my risk.

There is absolutely no doubt that the UK is heading for a recession (probably a depression), but mucking about with £10 PR stunt vouchers isn't going to stop that.

The Chancellor needs to borrow big money for real sustainable projects, such as building genuinely affordable homes and green technology, which will create a better future for all.

High quality jobs would be created, which in turn will require high quality training and development.

He needs to have a good think about the targeting of taxation too.

Cheap slogans to help out mates running fast food restaurants won't cut it.

I’m doing my bit, went out to our local Italian last night, it was lovely to go out finally. Going again on Monday and will possibly have a curry out on Sunday as it’s DH’s birthday. Am waiting until our local freehouse pub opens next week to go to the pub as I’d rather support them than the big chains.

Now the Chancellor has shaken his magic money tree and found that it does indeed have fruit, how about:

Subsidising efficient public transport (electric mini buses maybe?) in areas which currenly have almost nothing, so people have to rely on cars?

Subsidising community arts projects, so that they don't have to rely on full capacity, until it's genuinely safe?

Those are just a couple of ideas. I'm sure I can think of more which would genuinely create sustainable jobs, improve the quality of life and distribute magic money fruits more equitably.

Rishi Sunak did announce the details of making homes more energy efficient, he did announce apprenticeship incentives along with employer incentives to employ young people.

So called green electric cars please do not be fooled, there is no such thing as a green battery these things are literally costing the earth and lives of people (often children as young as 5) who mine for the components.

I have much more faith in a chancellor who has worked in the private sector than a shadow chancellor who according to her bio whent from University to a University Lecturer to being an MP.

There is no magic potion for recovery, we all have to play our part however small.

There are obviously those in high-risk groups by way of health concerns, and those that do not have any disposable income to additionally spend beyond everyday living expenses. Those persons cannot go out and spend.

However, there are those which can take up the Chancellors plea and "go out and spend", for we have not in many cases spent anything beyond buying essentials during the lockdown.

In that, large numbers spending to save jobs and the economy is surely far better than the chancellor borrowing huge amounts trying to achieve the same.

Eh? We have a shadow chancellor with a better understanding of macro-economics than Rishi Sunak, who's only ever worked in banking, which does not consider the whole population or have a holistic view of the economy.

I know what Sunak previously announced. I'm reserving judgment on that until he really does put his money where his mouth is. If it's anything like the money which has been announced for schools, it's woefully inadequate.

The details of making homes more energy efficient won't help people living in the rented sector. It's a rehash of the previous scheme.

I'm waiting to see what he announces on apprenticeships. The Conservatives have been making promises about them for nearly 10 years, but have done almost nothing.

Meanwhile, is still my opinion that £10 vouchers for meal deals are a publicity stunt, paid for all through taxes, but which a significant number of people can't afford to use or won't have the opportunity to use.