Brexit Re-booted

Urmstongran...for somebody that has voted leave the EU you seem to enjoy being in Spain and the European lifestyle ! well over your 90 days I notice from the good morning thread, hope you’re now tax resident ?

Oh stop it!
The State of Emergency in Spain (the severest lockdown in Europe) enforced our stay. Our flights got cancelled. Malaga airport closed for 12 weeks.

Therefore the Spanish government allowed the 90 days to begin from mid June.

Obviously we ought to have gone home 10 days ago.

Considering so many ex pats have lived under the radar for years and because of Covid this, due to my anxiety about a train, the airport and a flight, I’m not for returning just yet.

Tax isn’t due in these circumstances.
A fine may be we have been advised by our solicitor.

If it is we will pay it when we return in 6 weeks.

Until then, stop your faux concern about me thank you.

But you can return- just have to self isolate when you return? Just get a taxi.

Urmstongran ..I have no concern about you either way ! I am Annoyed... (not at you personally ) But because of Brexit ...I too have a holiday home here in Spain as do many of our friends ( who incidentally many of whom managed to get home at the start of lockdown ) but now I am having to get residency at a great cost and lots of hassle (and did not really want to do it ) but because we will no longer have freedom of
movement and be Required to do 90 days in and 90 days out ( yes I know it’s always been that but Spain and Europe have never really policed it before ) we feel it’s the only way to be here when we want to be ...won’t even go there about the U.K. economy or our grandchildren’s missed opportunities..

Perhaps living in an EU country has turned out to be preferable to the miseries of brexit Britain.

same here Ginny, not seen our granchildren since February- it hurts.

Latest YouGov/Times Survey Results:

In hindsight, do you think Britain was right or
wrong to vote to leave the European Union?

Right to leave 39%
Wrong to leave 50%
Don't know 11%

docs.cdn.yougov.com/5l5pygu8gt/TimesResults_200924_VI_Trackers_W.pdf

YouGov? ????

biba I haven’t been in a taxi, a car driven by anyone, a bus or a train for 7 months. I’m totally walking everywhere or I’m sat in the gardens.

I’m staying very socially distanced from everyone.

Of course I shall have to come home soon. Anxiety or not.
I’ll need a train, the airport, a plane and then an airport and a taxi in Manchester.

None of which I’m happy with to be honest.

‘just get a taxi’?
Ha.

Never mind! If you wait long enough Spain might deport you and arrange your transport!

Well, same for everyone. Reason we can't travel to the UK to see grandchildren.

This is getting too personal and mean.

I’ll discuss Brexit happily but not my situation any more. Actually Grannytonic why not join in the good morning thread instead of reading and reporting on my postings on here?

You’d be made very welcome. I’ll think of you when I post in the morning.
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Quote of the Day
“If the gaps in these areas are to be bridged, the EU still needs to scale back more of its unrealistic ambitions and work on more realistic policy positions. I hope this will be possible this coming week, and I and my team are ready to work as hard as necessary to move things forward.”

Lord Frost piles the pressure on Brussels ahead of this week's round of talks.

More realistic about what?

Border between UK/NI and Ireland?
Gibraltar?
Level playing field and access to EU markets?
Workers' rights?
Agriculture standards, bio safety and husbandry- and access for awful USA products into the EU?

There is no way they can or want to compromise on those- why should they?

Urmstongran

This is getting too personal and mean.

I’ll discuss Brexit happily but not my situation any more. Actually Grannytonic why not join in the good morning thread instead of reading and reporting on my postings on here?

You’d be made very welcome. I’ll think of you when I post in the morning.
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The trouble is that you seem oblivious to the ways so many people's lives have been affected. If you are aware, you don't care. I apologise for getting personal, but it really is disheartening to read posts by somebody who seems to live in some kind of bubble.

Urmstongran

Quote of the Day
“If the gaps in these areas are to be bridged, the EU still needs to scale back more of its unrealistic ambitions and work on more realistic policy positions. I hope this will be possible this coming week, and I and my team are ready to work as hard as necessary to move things forward.”

Lord Frost piles the pressure on Brussels ahead of this week's round of talks.

For goodness' sake! Dream on!

The EU totally has the upper hand. The EU will breathe one collective sigh of relief when this all over. They've been acting like the grown ups in the room for over four years and are well-prepared.

If there is any kind of deal, it will only be because the UK has had to give up on almost everything. Meanwhile, Gibraltar is making its own arrangements with Spain and will treat the UK as a third country and I dread to think what will happen in Northern Ireland, particularly on the border. I don't think I'd like to be a haulier at the moment.

January is going to be fun!

Has anyone seen any news about what the Falklands are doing? I have not seen anything at all.

Aplology accepted growstuff. Thank you.

I don’t live in a bubble. I interact with many friends and of course family.

When the referendum took place we each got a vote. We (most of us hopefully) will have been aware of what we were voting for. I liked the arguments for leaving the EU. You and others on here liked the arguments for staying put. Everyone’s circumstances differ and will have affected their choice in the matter.

Urmstongran

Aplology accepted growstuff. Thank you.

I don’t live in a bubble. I interact with many friends and of course family.

When the referendum took place we each got a vote. We (most of us hopefully) will have been aware of what we were voting for. I liked the arguments for leaving the EU. You and others on here liked the arguments for staying put. Everyone’s circumstances differ and will have affected their choice in the matter.

How much disruption and harm are you willing to tolerate before saying it “wasn’t worth it?“

A few transitional bumps along the way to a post Brexit surge for the UK is how I see it going forward.

None of us have a crystal ball. We shall have to see how it all pans out.

I predict well.
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But that’s my optimistic nature.

Whilst both sides are talking I see no need to be pessimistic as there is a deal to be done.

To use a good old Scots phrase, oh, gi'e us peace! Most people knew what they were voting for? How many people you know understand the intricacies of the agreements we held with the EU? How many people actually knew what they were voting away? Before you answer, the real answer is only the rich ones who stand to benefit from this debacle.

However its dressed up, the only possible reason for wanting to leave the EU was that you didn't like being in the EU. There was no unfair economic cost, no limitations on our abilities to trade with other nations. I'm sure that somebody will tell me I'm wrong and come up with spurious examples of where poor old UK was taken advantage of.

But here's the thing, its all made up. Lets look at the economy, for one. Even Rees Mogg has said it will take us 50 years to get back to where we were. QAnon could leant something from the Brexit camp about recognising people's weak spots and playing on their pre-conceptions.

If Brexiters could be realistic and say that they don't like the EU because they prefer to be little Englanders (or maybe Britishers?) then at least they would be being honest with us. All this talk of how much better off we'll be, and how a last minute deal will save us, is just so much delusion.

Let me be clear - any deal won't stop Brexit being a disaster. You don't need a crystal ball, you just need common sense. Yes, this is what the UK voted for. And we deserve what we get.

You seem a tad wound up Alegrias so there’s nothing I can say really just now that would enable you to see my point of view.

Best agree to disagree perhaps is all we can do from opposite sides of this particular fence.

Just as some say it’s going to be rubbish from here on in, some intellectuals inspire me with how good things can be. A more global outlook unfettered by EU jurisdiction.

You have your view and quite rightly, voted accordingly. Ditto for me.
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Wound up? Nah, I'm well past being wound up. I'm furious. Have been for 4 years. But how like a Brexiter to resort to personal observations when the arguments run out. That's pretty disappointing when you were complaining about personal posts above. Ah well.

I'm wondering what intellectuals you are referring to........ Farage? Francois? The guy who runs Wetherspoons?

I'll be a bit clearer then, about my closing argument. The majority voted out. That's what the country as a whole wanted. So we have to do it. Doesn't make it the right decision though.

And it was hardly a majority - 17 million out or a population of 67 million. The 3 million plus EU citizens living here and paying taxes were disenfranchised and the leave campaigners "won" by lies, cheating and foreign interference. If we lived in a decent law abiding democracy that fraudulent referendum would have been declared null and void.