Brexit Re-booted

I suspect children(under 18) weren’t allowed to vote Varian and if you add them onto the ones who couldn’t be bothered....there’s your answer!

Pantglas2

I suspect children(under 18) weren’t allowed to vote Varian and if you add them onto the ones who couldn’t be bothered....there’s your answer!

After the revelations of the Trump campaign's use of Cambridge Analytica and their 'voter deterrence' programme (i.e. identifying voters by their facebook data and targeting ads at just them to discourage them from voting) and the fact that vote Leave used the same company to target voters with 'dark adverts', it's quite likely that the same techniques were use in the UK. The CEO of Cambridge Analytica is on record as stating that 'deterrence' campaigns were successfully used by them earlier in elections in Africa, so no reason o think that they weren't used here.

Two twitter threads about it here:

This one about the USA CA campaign

twitter.com/carolecadwalla/status/1310645552116310019

A long thread detailing CA's strategy in the Caribbean and Africa

twitter.com/MsMariaT/status/1103171212908191744

In fact, Pantglas, it's quite laughable to believe that the referendum campaigning was straightforward, honest and above board. There was extensive use of targeted 'dark ads' (i.e those only seen by people identified as susceptible to such adverts, which is anti-democratic in itself) and massive overspending, by the Leave campaign.

We've just had a thread about QAnon and the way that the SM algorithms intensify beliefs by leading people to more and more extreme posts and adverts on SM. It happened in the referendum, too...

I bow to your knowledge on these things MaizieD but I know so many people who couldn’t be arsed voting - they have no business complaining now it’s too late, do they?

No need to bow to me at all, Pantglas. Just think a little bit out side your own bubble.

I don't know anyone who didn't bother to vote. Proves nothing at all...

I could name fifty people off the top of my head who didn’t vote and now say they wanted to remain - mostly younger people who couldn’t be bothered!

My older friends all voted, mainly remain, and I imagine they feel like shaking those people above!

I also know quite a few people who didn’t /couldn’t be bothered to vote, they are mainly still under thirty.

If you do not use your vote in my opinion you lose the right to criticise (moan).

I know a few people who voted and are now dead.

Pantglas2

I could name fifty people off the top of my head who didn’t vote and now say they wanted to remain - mostly younger people who couldn’t be bothered!

My older friends all voted, mainly remain, and I imagine they feel like shaking those people above!

For all you know the 'can't be bothereds' may well have been targeted with stuff talking down the importance of politics and voting, reinforcing their belief that voting is futile...

I'm not saying that they were, just that they could have been.

Here's the Cambridge Analytica guy telling how they did it in Trinidad

Nix moved on to pitch his next case study – a youth mobilisation campaign. Again, all is not as it seems. Trinidad is a very interesting case history of how we look at problems,” Nix said. “Trinidad's tiny – it's 1.3 million people .but almost exactly half the country are Indian and half the country are Black, Afro-Caribbean. And there are two main political parties, one for the Blacks and one for the Indians… when the Indians are in power the Blacks don't get anything, and vice-versa, you know – they SCREW EACH OTHER. So we were working, I think for the third time in Trinidad, and we were working for the Indians, and we did a huge amount for research, and two really important things came out:
One was that all the youth, Indian and Afro-Caribbean, felt disenfranchised … And secondly, amongst the Indians the familial hierarchies were really strong. There was huge respect for their elders and their parents and their families, but not so for the Afro-Caribbeans. And that was enough info to inform the entire campaign. “We said to the client, we only want to do one thing...to run a campaign where we target the youth – all youth, all the Blacks and all the Indians – and WE TRY TO INCREASE APATHY. they didn't really understand why… but they allowed us to do this campaign, and [it] had to be non-political, because no one, the kids don’t care about politics. It had to be reactive, because they’re lazy; inclusive of all ethnicities; bottom-up. We came up with this campaign which was all about ‘Be part of the gang, do something cool, be part of a movement.’ And it was called the ‘Do So’ campaign… A3 posters. And graffiti, yellow paint, you know, we cut stencils with the jigsaw. And we'd give these to kids, and they'd get in their cars at night, you know, just make a drawing, get in the car, and race around the country putting up these posters and getting chased by the police and all their friends were doing it, and it was fucking brilliant fun. Do So. DON'T VOTE. Don't be involved in politics. It's like a sign of resistance against – not government, against politics. And voting. And very soon they're making their own YouTube videos. This is the prime minister’s house that's being graffitied! … It was carnage.
And the reason why this was such a good strategy is b/c we knew, and we really really knew, that when it came to voting, all the Afro-Caribbean kids wouldn't vote, because they ‘Do So’. But all the Indian kids would do what their parents told them to do, which is go out, vote."

The dark powers behind brexit and Trump have not gone away, and there are still a lot of poorly educated guillible people who are able to vote.

Some of them can be prompted to vote in a particular way. Others can be dissuaded from voting.

Democracy in many countries has been subverted by malignant anti-democrats.

I’m not doubting it MaizieD!

It sounds perfectly credible that it could happen for the referendum and if ever there was another, we would all be more aware of the machinations of either side and step up efforts to get the voters to the polls.

So yet another area on which the government was warned time and again and yet in their arrogance and incompetence, they refused to listen.

Car parts arrive from all over the world into the U.K. in order to complete a car which we export to the EU.

The British government thought, against all warnings, that they could still class the car as entirely British and subsequently do a deal with the EU regarding tariffs.

Think on!!

Was there ever such an incompetent stupid set of people running this country.

What's that about, WwMk2?

The parts the U.K. car industry uses for fitting into cars are mostly imported from say Japan. They will have to be listed in country of origin.

So, if we do get a deal for our car industry the U.K. was hoping to list the whole car as country of origin being the U.K.

Tariffs will be fixed accordingly, which may be as high as 20-50%.

They were warned and warned pre-referendum that this can’t be the case. Project fear they screamed!!

More chickens. The roost is getting stuff with feathers.

Thanks.

Some here keep telling us that the EU is being intransigeant and not prepared to negotiate fairly. But this is the kind of nonsense the UK is requesting now, and no wonder they do not agree.

The UK request for the EU to recognise Japanese and Turkish manufactured car parts as "Made in Britain" post Brexit has been rejected by the EU.
Who woulda thunk that might happen?

Does anyone remember the "Analysis of Options by the (now closed) Department for Exiting the European Union" with added information from the Office of National Statistics? It showed 4 options and consequences as regards GDP and Jobs.

It charted
Remain - GDP growing at current rates and No impact on jobs to
No deal, WTO rules - 8% lower GDP and, from the Off. Nat. Stat. - £158b less per year and 2,800,000 fewer jobs.

And now we have the repercussions from Covid in the mix!

Car parts is just a small part of the difficulty, any ingredient or component of any manufactured item would have to meet EU standards.

We can produce meat pies made from US beef and GM ingredients for home consumption but we will not be able to sell to them, anything we export to the EU has to comply with their standards. At present everything we import has to comply with the “CE” standard if we depart from that we cannot export it to the EU, there is no logic whatever in changing but that has never stopped politicians trying.

Why do we expect a car just assembled like a lego kit to be labelled made in UK. when all the parts are made elsewhere? Chickens coming home to roost.

Yet more "project fear" turning out to be reality.

vegansrock

Why do we expect a car just assembled like a lego kit to be labelled made in UK. when all the parts are made elsewhere? Chickens coming home to roost.

That's the way that cars are made these days.

Parts come from all over to be assembled in the UK. Nissan has parts from the European mainland, parts from the UK and parts from Japan, all delivered on a 'just in time' basis and assembled at the Sunderland plant (which the locals were overjoyed about when it came in the 1980s). While the correct percentage of the parts in it came from EU manufacturers it counted as 'made in the EU and attracted no tariffs. Brexit has completely b*ggered that up as the UK made parts no longer count as EU produced and the percentage of EU parts in the cars will be too low. So on go the tariffs...

The 'just in time' will be adversely affected by Brexit because, whether it's deal or no deal, the extra border checks required will slow the throughput of freight vehicles at the ferry terminals. There doesn't seem to be any solution for this. It happens at all the borders between EU and non EU countries. People in the transport industry have been saying this for 4 years now...

According to Ernst & Young, financial services firms operating in the U.K. have already moved about 7,500 employees and more than 1.2 trillion pounds of assets to the European Union ahead of Brexit - with more likely to follow in coming weeks.

From next year, UK firms will lose their passport to offer services across the EU. They will have to rely on the bloc granting the U.K. so-called equivalence for them to do business with customers in the region, who account for up to a quarter of all revenue in London.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-09-30/brexit-prompts-7-500-finance-jobs-1-6-trillion-to-leave-u-k

We’re all dooomed!
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The EU has taken the first step in legal action against the UK over Boris Johnson's plans to make changes to the Internal Markets bill.

www.lbc.co.uk/politics/eu-begins-legal-action-against-uk-over-withdrawal-agreement-changes/

varian

The EU has taken the first step in legal action against the UK over Boris Johnson's plans to make changes to the Internal Markets bill.

www.lbc.co.uk/politics/eu-begins-legal-action-against-uk-over-withdrawal-agreement-changes/

Good.