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Brexit Re-booted

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 09-Jul-20 08:07:06

Whilst we have all been busy with C19, Brexit has been still in the background, so I thought as a break from C19 I would start up Brexit again??

Latest gossip/leak

Liz Truss has written to Johnson warning him that his border plans “ risk smuggling, damage to the U.K. reputation and WTO wrath who may well launch a legal challenge over the plan to phase in customs and health checks Over 6 months.

Something else that’s going to run and run.

Negotiations with the EU are due to end 31 October.

MaizieD Thu 24-Sept-20 17:04:26

If there is no deal there is probably going to be long queues a ports leaving the U.K.

7,000 lorries the government predicts. Placed end to end this is an estimated 71 miles of queue.

Plus 2 days waiting in the queue...

Davidhs Thu 24-Sept-20 14:57:54

If there is no deal there is probably going to be long queues a ports leaving the U.K. caused by extra customs checks which are inevitable. Manston airfield in Kent has been set aside to park trucks, there is going to be a lot of marshaling there to keep it running and several hundred troops are going to be needed for that.

That is the best that can be expected, if there is no agreement on some major issue - fisheries, there could be widespread industrial action by the French and others that make it much worse, that would do real damage.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 12:41:11

MaizieD

TBH, Wwmk2, I don't think it's a good job at all. Once the state starts using the army against its own citizens you don't know where it's going to stop. After all, our current Home Secretary has branded Extinction Rebellion protests as 'illegal' even when peaceful. It's chilling.

It begins like that in most right wing authoritarian countries, but I think that most people are content for this to happen as long as they get brexit.

MaizieD Thu 24-Sept-20 11:50:20

TBH, Wwmk2, I don't think it's a good job at all. Once the state starts using the army against its own citizens you don't know where it's going to stop. After all, our current Home Secretary has branded Extinction Rebellion protests as 'illegal' even when peaceful. It's chilling.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 11:41:11

Apparently the lorry parks will be visible from space

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 11:37:28

Good job the government is giving consideration to the army on the streets then.

Project fear has become Project FACT

MaizieD Thu 24-Sept-20 11:32:59

Riots...?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 11:16:58

So I wonder what the consequences will be of food insecurity and high unemployment?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 11:02:51

“Seen off rational minds” indeed.

Absolute madness.

MaizieD Thu 24-Sept-20 11:01:53

And another (not Shakespeare):

Genius. They came for trade that was free
With plummy tones ensnared me
They had a route they had a plan
we got nights in their bully van
Their racy chums wanted more
Bet the money till all gone offshore
We are left with silent empty spaces
Of our prosperity but spent traces

twitter.com/ianbrealey/status/1309018279344775168

MaizieD Thu 24-Sept-20 10:57:05

I found this on twitter this morning. Shakespeare rises to the occasion:

ACT V. SCENE I. Before PROSPERO'S Kentish cell.

Ye elves of Bills, trucks, standing queues and Goves,
And ye that on Kent’s edge with printless tyre
Do await permits to continue trade That was already free;
you hauliers that By moonshine do the Swanley ring-roads block,
Whereof the Stobart frights; and you whose pastime
Is to make Serco profits, that rejoice
In tender-less processes; by whose aid,
Weak masters though ye be,
I have bedimm'd Democracy, seen off rational minds,
And 'twixt the Dover strait and Kentish vault
Set roaring war: in the dread rattling blunder
Have I given fire and rifted Gove's stout oak
With his own bolt; the Ashford lorry park
Have I made quake and by Broadstairs, clogged up
Sheerness and Dover: Gravesend at my command
Has waked its truckers, oped, and let 'em forth
By my so potent art.
But this stuff tragic I here abjure,
and, when I have required Some no Deal Brexit, which even now I do,
To work mine end upon your senses what This sovereignty is for,
I'll break my staff, Bury it certain fathoms below M2,
And deeper than did ever Thanet sound I'll drown my book.

twitter.com/mikegove12/status/1309010263706865667

Closely related to the consequence of this queuing is this very disturbing story

Government says it has no duty to secure food supplies in a no-deal Brexit (nor any other crisis)

www.sustainweb.org/blogs/sep19_government_says_it_has_no_duty_to_secure_food_in_a_crisis/

It seems that protecting its citizens is the very last thing this government intends to do.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 10:20:37

The whole of the South East will be next?. What larks!

Urmstongran Thu 24-Sept-20 08:09:37

?

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 08:07:56

Don’t forget Marmite!,?

vegansrock Thu 24-Sept-20 08:07:33

Let’s hear the chancellor or Sharma say something about JPMorgan and 12, 000 jobs - what’s the betting it doesn’t get a mention.

vegansrock Thu 24-Sept-20 08:05:36

The banking sector more important than cleaning product company however big. 25% of UKs GDP is in the cIty of London- now haemorrhaging jobs to the EU.

vegansrock Thu 24-Sept-20 08:04:03

Hardly swings and roundabouts more like huge fairground and broken seesaw

Urmstongran Thu 24-Sept-20 08:00:19

The company deny that WW. 60% of the business is UK and 40% Holland. Moving the HQ back here ensures the company stays in the FTSE100.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 07:58:18

Urmstongran

And for balance here, Unilever is moving it’s headquarters back to the UK from Rotterdam.

Swings & roundabouts!

The business secretary, Alok Sharma welcomed the Unilever plan, tweeting: “Delighted to see Unilever’s proposals to become a fully incorporated UK company – a clear vote of confidence in the UK.”

?

Hardly swings and roundabouts! It is to be a sole legal entity. It still has a HQ in Holland.

It is happening because of Brexit.

Urmstongran Thu 24-Sept-20 07:55:00

And for balance here, Unilever is moving it’s headquarters back to the UK from Rotterdam.

Swings & roundabouts!

The business secretary, Alok Sharma welcomed the Unilever plan, tweeting: “Delighted to see Unilever’s proposals to become a fully incorporated UK company – a clear vote of confidence in the UK.”

?

vegansrock Thu 24-Sept-20 07:38:20

UBS. Credit Suisse and Standard Chartered Bank are moving out billions of Euros as well. Thousands of jobs to go in London.

vegansrock Thu 24-Sept-20 07:34:28

Meanwhile from Bloomberg : JPMorgan is moving about 200 billion euros ($230 billion) from the U.K. to Frankfurt as a result of Brexit, a shift that will make it one of the largest banks in Germany - that’s about €11,000 for each Brexit vote and that’s ONE bank - others will follow- this would normally make the front pages but it’s being buried by those who have financial interest in sterling crashing.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 07:14:16

The EU has been ready for brexit since the beginning of the year, we only started concreting over green fields a couple of weeks ago and the infrastructure at the ports hasn’t yet been started according to our local BBC. So we will have green fields lost to concrete without planning permission in Kent and whole motorways of lorry parks.

vegansrock Thu 24-Sept-20 07:08:01

So now we have to have permits to drive over the “Kent border”, so extra lorries will be parked up in Sussex or South London, and where will all those lorry drivers parked for days in Kent go to the toilet? So much for taking control of our borders - our border has moved! Let’s hope the lorry drivers with loads of rotting produce drive up and dump their load outside Downing Street.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 24-Sept-20 07:03:01

Good lord!