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growstuff I dare say these women are what you say, but why call them all Karen?

Why not pick a term which is not a woman's name?

Let's stand up for all the kind, decent, caring women called Karen in the world of whatever race, colour or creed they may be.

They should all stand together and demand that a different term be chosen for those other women.

There's quite a collection, male, female, whatever the case may be-

If using names isn't the way, perhaps offer some alternatives of what to call a law for the situation where white women do what they do to black men as in the Central Park Karen case-

Riverwalk

In the UK these pejorative connotations with names and 'witty' alliterations are coined and perpetuated by middle class comedians/journalists, e.g. Essex girls, Croydon facelift, Scousebrow, pram face, etc., and are directly aimed at working class women.

Insidious.

To be fair, there's "Essex Man" as well. He's a cousin of "white van man".

Callistemon

Like Sharon and Tracy, demeaning to anyone of that name but in this case it is far worse, it's vilification of thousands upon thousands of decent, kind women.

I know at least two Tracys as well, both highly educated women and we have a Sharon in the family who was so upset by the connotations that she changed her name.

I've learnt a lot from this thread. However, I don't think the videos I've seen of "Karens" depict "decent, kind women". Without exception, they've seemed ghastly.

These videos sometimes pop up on my Twitter feed. I watched a few because I was curious and then deleted them and blocked the senders. I don't even watch them now.

GagaJo

I think there is plenty of classism on this site, racism too. Yet when some members feel their particular demographic is being targeted, suddenly, there is outrage.

Pity the same isn’t true of the support for people of colour and the working class. The word hypocrisy springs to mind.

Are you saying I or anybody has been deficient in my support for the working class (whatever that is in the 21st century - aren’t we all working class these days?) or people of colour?

Oops. Typos. *that make false

As I said, it is an important issue, but is it endemic here in the UK? Have we had any reported cases?

The use of a woman's name to identify a group of people who are intent to cause such mischief is wrong. It detracts from the potential seriousness of what is happening and is nasty and discriminating in its own right.

Older, white women. In the US legislation, particularly focused on the ones that ,are false accusations about black people.

I don't think I'm following this very well. Who are 'they'?

I think there is plenty of classism on this site, racism too. Yet when some members feel their particular demographic is being targeted, suddenly, there is outrage.

Pity the same isn’t true of the support for people of colour and the working class. The word hypocrisy springs to mind.

Like Sharon and Tracy, demeaning to anyone of that name but in this case it is far worse, it's vilification of thousands upon thousands of decent, kind women.

I know at least two Tracys as well, both highly educated women and we have a Sharon in the family who was so upset by the connotations that she changed her name.

MawB

Riverwalk I appreciate that (I hope) you are not spreading this awful thing about people called Karen.
I have only become aware of it in the last couple of weeks and am feeling totally victimised and persecuted.
I think it is cruel and wrong in every way.

I am astonished that a name is being villified in this way. I know some lovely Karens and to use a female name in this derogatory fashion is appalling.

It's an important issue, obviously, although not one I was aware of but they lose credibility when they do something like this, misusing and disparaging a whole swathe of women.

Oh well, I'm dumb.

I still dont understand.

Riverwalk

In the UK these pejorative connotations with names and 'witty' alliterations are coined and perpetuated by middle class comedians/journalists, e.g. Essex girls, Croydon facelift, Scousebrow, pram face, etc., and are directly aimed at working class women.

Insidious.

Well said Riverwalk and as such we should not be perpetuating these cheap jibes.

rosecarmel

I don't get what Illte is asking, can someone explain?

“Two nations, divided by a common language” ?

Seems clear enough to me.

In the UK these pejorative connotations with names and 'witty' alliterations are coined and perpetuated by middle class comedians/journalists, e.g. Essex girls, Croydon facelift, Scousebrow, pram face, etc., and are directly aimed at working class women.

Insidious.

I don't get what Illte is asking, can someone explain?

I don't get what rosecarmel is saying.

Can someone explain it to me please.

MawB

Galaxy

Dont get me wrong I stand with people who criticise those who report people because of the colour of their skin, that behaviour is appalling, but the karen thing has become something else entirely in my view.

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I would not dream of referring to someone as a “Sharon, Tracey, Kevin, Walter,” or any name with the intention of endowing that name with pejorative connotations. Alas, thanks to the likes of the post by txquiltz and the snide allusion in the post at 8.55 by Gagajo this adolescent poison now seems to be spreading to GN.

Shaming- ?

MawB

Riverwalk I appreciate that (I hope) you are not spreading this awful thing about people called Karen.
I have only become aware of it in the last couple of weeks and am feeling totally victimised and persecuted.
I think it is cruel and wrong in every way.

Hahaha!

Pigeon hole an entire country: Acceptable

Pigeon hole a single name: Persecution

Predictable!

Galaxy

Dont get me wrong I stand with people who criticise those who report people because of the colour of their skin, that behaviour is appalling, but the karen thing has become something else entirely in my view.

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I would not dream of referring to someone as a “Sharon, Tracey, Kevin, Walter,” or any name with the intention of endowing that name with pejorative connotations. Alas, thanks to the likes of the post by txquiltz and the snide allusion in the post at 8.55 by Gagajo this adolescent poison now seems to be spreading to GN.

Dont get me wrong I stand with people who criticise those who report people because of the colour of their skin, that behaviour is appalling, but the karen thing has become something else entirely in my view.

Galaxy

People laugh at misogyny all the time. There is a really good article I think by Hadley Feeman about the misogyny and class origins of the use of Karen.

Thank you Galaxy. The memes I've received have been women behaving quite appallingly. I've received some of men too, but they don't have a "name" attached. I had no idea where it was coming from

She’s a good friend, but I admit she can come across as overbearing. Not racist tho.

People laugh at misogyny all the time. There is a really good article I think by Hadley Feeman about the misogyny and class origins of the use of Karen.