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Seems the jihadi bride Shamima Begum might be coming back to stand trial in the U.K.

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Urmstongran Fri 17-Jul-20 08:24:01

Oh no!
Once one comes back it’ll open the floodgates and they’ll all be back living here at the taxpayers expense.

I hope the Government’s appeal against her return next week is successful but it’s not looking good.

growstuff Sat 18-Jul-20 12:53:15

EllanVannin

She won't be sent back, that's a foregone conclusion.

Why is it a foregone conclusion?

If she returns to the UK for the appeal, she could lose it and will be deported.

growstuff Sat 18-Jul-20 12:51:15

This current action isn't about a trial for anything she has done or not done.

This is about her legal right to attend in person a legal appeal.

Urmstongran Sat 18-Jul-20 12:46:21

And here we go ...

“Mehak Aslam left London for Syria in 2014, shortly after her husband, Shahan Choudhury.

He was located by ITV News to a Kurdish prison last year, where he said he had been arrested after leaving Islamic State.

Choudhury claimed to have worked as an IS gravedigger shortly before the group’s territorial defeat, burying the dead from the battle for Baghouz.

His wife, Ms Aslam, is being held at a refugee camp nearby with their five children. Both have had their British citizenship withdrawn.

Families lawyers wrote to the Foreign Office the day after a court decision to allow Shamima Begum to return to London to appeal against the deprivation of her citizenship.”

Urmstongran Sat 18-Jul-20 12:24:39

I wasn’t ‘picking’ on you annepl. Sorry if it came over that way. Yours was just one of the last comments I read that I disagreed with.

As you say, many others feel as you do. That said, many feel as I do. It’s a divisive topic!

Galaxy Sat 18-Jul-20 12:19:59

Yes I know chewbacca that's the point I am making.

Jellybeetles Sat 18-Jul-20 12:19:00

I feel that a fair time after she did not seem to regret her actions. I also feel that if you let her return then you would have to let many others return not really being sure if they have changed.

Chewbacca Sat 18-Jul-20 12:18:47

So all rapists and murders should be deported

Not if they're British Galaxy, and Shamima Begum is. And it hasn't been proven that she "raped or murdered" anyone yet.

annep1 Sat 18-Jul-20 12:15:59

Urmstongran why pick on me?? Other folk said similar things. So I'm not going to answer your query. I will just say I have worked with offenders.

trisher Sat 18-Jul-20 12:14:51

What we need is a new colony Galaxy where we can dump all our undesirables. Pity about Australia wasn't it?

Galaxy Sat 18-Jul-20 12:11:26

So all rapists and murders should be deported. Where to? So the murderer of Jo Cox should be deported. These are our problems to deal with.

trisher Sat 18-Jul-20 12:08:54

If you are you are a long way down it Galaxy there are a lot of people I'd deal with first! grin

Chewbacca Sat 18-Jul-20 12:06:29

Did "those men on the train" collude with, and enable, a terrorist army that had committed atrocities against any one that they deemed to be kuffars? Did they affirm that they "weren't fazed" by severed heads in a bucket? Did they stitch other people into suicide jackets that would explode if they tried to take them off? Did they tote AK47 rifles in their roles as "morality police"?

If so, yes, they should be deported.

Witzend Sat 18-Jul-20 11:59:52

I’m torn really. On the one hand, she was old and evidently intelligent enough to understand that she was going to join brutal terrorists who thought nothing of killing/blowing up people who had done them no harm.

On the other, given her probable upbringing, very likely she was tightly controlled/restricted, compared to many other girls of that age.

I can’t help thinking that those girls my well have had some rose-tinted, romantic Mills and Boon-y dream of running away to marry a handsome warrior - a huge adventure which would undoubtedly shock and appal their families - but it was all in the name of Allah, so that made it all right.

Galaxy Sat 18-Jul-20 11:58:52

I bet I have been on your list at times Trisher grin

Galaxy Sat 18-Jul-20 11:55:27

No I didn't, if I hadnt listened to their conversation or been in a different seat I would have been none the wiser. Those men could move in next to me tomorrow.

Loislovesstewie Sat 18-Jul-20 11:55:22

I think you are confusing Shamina with Sharmeena Begum, Sharmeena is the one whose mother died .

Oldwoman70 Sat 18-Jul-20 11:53:43

"There are thousands of people I am not that keen on living next to. I didnt want to be anywhere near those men on the train, can I deport them?"

The difference is you were aware of those men and had a choice whether you were near them - if this woman, or any others who return, are wandering around your shopping centre you would have no idea.

trisher Sat 18-Jul-20 11:47:54

Ooh Galaxywe could have a whole new thread on that- People I want to deport- I've got a little list!!!

EllanVannin Sat 18-Jul-20 11:47:01

She won't be sent back, that's a foregone conclusion.

Galaxy Sat 18-Jul-20 11:42:00

There are thousands of people I am not that keen on living next to. I didnt want to be anywhere near those men on the train, can I deport them?

Ellianne Sat 18-Jul-20 11:41:57

It's not a case of whose responsibility is she, it's more whose problem is she. This case has to be handled so carefully for the precedent it sets and also for the potential dangers it poses. I'm pleased, whatever differing opinions we have, the sizemic implications are being thrashed out.
It's her sense of entitlement that concerns me, I would rather see remorse but no one that fanatical ever shows themselves capable of this.

trisher Sat 18-Jul-20 11:41:35

Let's send her to Pakistan where they have one of the biggest terrorist threats in the world. Then if she really is a threat she will be able to reconnect with Isis and become active again. In fact she may be able to infiltrate this country and return to plant bombs anyway. How on earth does sending her to that country keep anyone safe?

JenniferEccles Sat 18-Jul-20 11:36:11

I have asked a similar question Oldeoman but had no reply.

sarahellenwhitney Sat 18-Jul-20 11:34:45

Has any one given thought to this young woman's future if !/when! she returns to the country of her birth.
Her past actions cannot be undone.So what can she expect.?Her mother having died. father remarried left the country .She was prepared at the age of fifteen to start a new life clearly too young /idealistic to even think what if.?

JenniferEccles Sat 18-Jul-20 11:34:26

I strongly suspect Pakistan wouldn’t want her but as her father lives there that is the obvious solution.

Let him take some responsibility for his daughter if a bit late in the day.

Anywhere but here.