NHS-were we clapping or waving goodbye?

Privatisation will kill the NHS if the Tories are permitted to go on privatising.

The Tories contract with private concerns and by doing so, the Tories naturally choose the cheapest option, after the manner of Basil Fawlty and the Builders,

Privatising the so called Social Care sector hasn’t worked and yet onward and downward, in pursuit of profit we go.

I don’t believe it is possible to run a comprehensive health care service, on a private, profit based system. We are clearly going down the US route, where if you are poor, or your insurance runs out hard luck!

Insurance companies must be overjoyed.

Very worrying especially as many of us are uninsurable.

I asked for a quote for both of us. ??????

I’d be interested to hear from grands who think privatising nhs is a good idea ?

Mm I was wondering where are the caring Conservatives to explain this to me?

I shouldn’t have thought anyone thinks privatising the NHS is a good idea.

It is so sad - they just do not get the meaning of the word "service" and never did - profit is the God.

Well Tory MPs obviously think it's OK.

Trump pulls the strings- we have become his puppet. He wants the NHS part of the Deal- he wants us to accept terrible standards for meat, bio-safety and husbandry, it does not want USA car industry to be part of Deal. And we have NO choice- yes Master, whatever you say Master.

Because we wont have China on board, and not Russia either- and we will have got rid of the EU - so what else is there but to agree to Trumps every whim- at whatever cost.

We need to encourage more people to join the health sector. Forget cheap foreign labour, we have plenty of our own people available. We just need to make the profession more attractive to them. Higher wages, better working conditions will act as an incentive.
The government should be concentrating on that instead of looking for ways to save money.

Bit quiet this morning......where are all the Johsnon supporters? All those who mocked and sneered at Corbyn when he warned this was going to happen? All conveniently slipped out at the same time as the announcement of public sector pay rises and the same day as the release of the Russia report. Obviously the photos of Johnson and his offspring didn;t work as a distraction

We have been waving goodbye for some time, bit by bit is being hived off, has been for years. When will the tories realise that not everything is about profit and market forces and whatever else they believe in.
This is a service, a health service which is being starved until they can say it’s not working and we need a new (American) system. God or whoever else, help us.

This was feared but expected. What are they thinking of?

Ideas please .

No pay rise for NHS workers or junior doctors, either.

NO pay rises for those because nurses had a three year pay deal, which ends next April, and junior doctors have a 4 year deal agreed last year. Which seems 'sort of' fair, but as the rises for other public sector workers are being trumpeted as 'above inflation', how do the existing 'deals' compare?

No new money for these 'generous' pay rises though, it has to come out of, already cut to the bone, existing budgets.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53478404

What are they thinking of?

Complete destruction of our public services, I think. Look at the USA and despair.

It's all part of Cummings 'throw it all up in the air and see where it lands' plan.

MaizieD

No pay rise for NHS workers or junior doctors, either.

NO pay rises for those because nurses had a three year pay deal, which ends next April, and junior doctors have a 4 year deal agreed last year. Which seems 'sort of' fair, but as the rises for other public sector workers are being trumpeted as 'above inflation', how do the existing 'deals' compare?

No new money for these 'generous' pay rises though, it has to come out of, already cut to the bone, existing budgets.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-53478404

There's your reason. Teachers and doctors have separate pay review bodies, which have reported. The government has accepted the recommendations, but there's no "new money".

I wouldn't expect anything else from the Tories. Why people continue to vote for them (against their own interests) I will never know!

ladymuck

We need to encourage more people to join the health sector. Forget cheap foreign labour, we have plenty of our own people available. We just need to make the profession more attractive to them. Higher wages, better working conditions will act as an incentive.
The government should be concentrating on that instead of looking for ways to save money.

To do that, the country needs to make a massive investment in training. So where's the money to do that?

I can' remember how many times I have been told on GN that the Conservatives really do care about the NHS and that I was an obsessed leftie not trusting them to look after it. Well I may be obsessed but that doesn't make me wrong.

Yes well trisher we 'obsessed lefties' are talking to ourselves this morning I fear, although I expect a few Tory voters will be along later to tell us that if only the NHS didn't treat drunks/drug addicts/illegal immigrants/health tourists everything would be fine. It was also pointed out this morning that the much hailed public sector payrise does not in fact cover the below inflation pay rises of the past few years, and that many staff are, in real terms, worse off than they were 8 years ago. But hey, let's not let a few facts get in the way of governing eh?

And answer came there none.....

They used the NHS to win the EU referendum. I don’t know how some of them can sleep at night. Then again some have been given knighthoods haven’t they (eg Gisella Stuart).