The Russian Report

lemongrove

It doesn’t matter that Putin isn’t a Marxist, he would want Corbyn in power because ....A)Corbyn doesn’t like the US
B ) Corbyn doesn’t like the EU C) Corbyn is lax about security and has openly stated he wouldn’t ever go down the nuclear route ( not that we want to but it’s a deterrent...a big one) and last but not least D) Corbyn would be a willing stooge for the Kremlin.

I take it that this is all opinion lemon and you don’t have a Russia report dedicated to Corbyn????

Can anyone please explain to me the process of "dirty money" ?
I know everybody is mentioning London as being the "Laundromat" and that masses of illegal money is used to buy Property or football clubs or department stores and suchlike.
But surely when the payment for these commodities arrives here it has to be "clean" money....checked etc.
If we pay over a certain amount into the bank in cash, we have to account for the source.
I have never understood money laundering and how it is done.
Can somebody enlighten me?

It doesn’t matter that Putin isn’t a Marxist, he would want Corbyn in power because ....A)Corbyn doesn’t like the US
B ) Corbyn doesn’t like the EU C) Corbyn is lax about security and has openly stated he wouldn’t ever go down the nuclear route ( not that we want to but it’s a deterrent...a big one) and last but not least D) Corbyn would be a willing stooge for the Kremlin.

I didn’t say it did growstuff ( the report say anything about the GE) I said ‘They would have certainly tried to do their best to interfere in the last GE, to help Corbyn into power etc’
They were my words, not from the report.

lemongrove

So?

As it was written before the last election , it doesn't report on any influence on the last election (unless Putin has a time machine, which I doubt).

lemongrove

Oh MaizieD ......the innocence and naivety of your post regarding Corbyn and Russia!
How many times was he on the Russian tv channel....?
They viewed him as a useful idiot, an old Marxist who may help them if he got into number ten.
Remember him in Parliament at the time of the Salisbury poisonings? The only one who was visibly uncomfortable and saying that we should allow the Russians to have the material to test?Ye Gods!

The thought of Putin seeing Corbyn as an ally is laughable. Putin is no Marxist. He's a traditional nationalist and autocrat, who would do anything to strengthen Russia's position, which includes smearing China. He sees the EU as a political and economic threat and will do anything to destabilise it.

Putin is a canny and ruthless operator. You can see his agenda from examining the millions of known Russian troll/bot posts from before the referendum.

So?

lemongrove

varian

Russia has interfered in our democracy as part of its plan to destabilise the West but fortunately Russian attempts to break up the UK in 2014 were unsuccessful.. Unfortunately they were successful in helping to rig the fraudulent referendum of 2016. .

Ridiculous bit of thinking here.
It didn’t affect the Scottish outcome but somehow it did affect the outcome of leaving the EU!
It didn’t affect either outcome in actuality, but Russian interference would have been in almost everything here in the UK just as it is in some other countries, it’s a direct link to them having a leader who was a KGB operative.
They would have certainly tried to do their best to interfere in the last GE to help Corbyn into power..but as we see, they weren’t successful in that either.

The Russia Report was written before the last general election.

lemongrove

I don’t need to defend it MaizieD ....it’s untrue.
Of course the Russians wanted Corbyn to win, it would have been wonderful for them to have a weak ditherer at the helm who has openly said he would never push the nuclear button and would always take Russia’s word for everything.
The wealthy Russians living here and making donations are the ones who are afraid of Putin.

I don't think that's entirely true. At least some of the people who donated to the Conservative Party are close to Putin. They might be afraid of displeasing him, but they'll do what he says to watch their own backs.

Would they really have wanted us to move closer to the US?
I doubt it.

We are not isolated Grandad and the EU will manage without us.

I don’t need to defend it MaizieD ....it’s untrue.
Of course the Russians wanted Corbyn to win, it would have been wonderful for them to have a weak ditherer at the helm who has openly said he would never push the nuclear button and would always take Russia’s word for everything.
The wealthy Russians living here and making donations are the ones who are afraid of Putin.

lemongrove, in regard to your post @09:10 today, Putin and the Russian regime wished for the Conservative Party to win the last general election.

Through that Russia has gained an isolated Britain and a weakened European Union. What more could they have possibly wished for?

Now answer the questions about Russian donations and hospitality, lemon.

The Russians didn't need Corbyn. The Russian Report has made it clear (as if we didn't already know) that the Russians have owned the tories for years and years. Defend that.

varian

Russia has interfered in our democracy as part of its plan to destabilise the West but fortunately Russian attempts to break up the UK in 2014 were unsuccessful.. Unfortunately they were successful in helping to rig the fraudulent referendum of 2016. .

Ridiculous bit of thinking here.
It didn’t affect the Scottish outcome but somehow it did affect the outcome of leaving the EU!
It didn’t affect either outcome in actuality, but Russian interference would have been in almost everything here in the UK just as it is in some other countries, it’s a direct link to them having a leader who was a KGB operative.
They would have certainly tried to do their best to interfere in the last GE to help Corbyn into power..but as we see, they weren’t successful in that either.

Oh MaizieD ......the innocence and naivety of your post regarding Corbyn and Russia!
How many times was he on the Russian tv channel....?
They viewed him as a useful idiot, an old Marxist who may help them if he got into number ten.
Remember him in Parliament at the time of the Salisbury poisonings? The only one who was visibly uncomfortable and saying that we should allow the Russians to have the material to test?Ye Gods!

Whitewavemark2

So there can be in no doubt this morning that our security is in real danger from the Tory party.

It is now clear that the pigs were far more interested in the depth of their trough than biting the hand that is feeding them.

Traitors the lot if them.

Those you describe as traitors will be governing this country in all likelihood for the next four years Whitewavemark2.

Perhaps had more so-called Labour supporters had got behind a Labour leader who was elected to that position with the largest vote and majority ever gained by someone standing for that office things may have been very different in regards to Britain's democracy today.

Some of those who criticise democracy in the Tory party should look at their actions and attitudes in regard to the Labour Party.

So there can be in no doubt this morning that our security is in real danger from the Tory party.

It is now clear that the pigs were far more interested in the depth of their trough than biting the hand that is feeding them.

Traitors the lot if them.

Russia has interfered in our democracy as part of its plan to destabilise the West but fortunately Russian attempts to break up the UK in 2014 were unsuccessful.. Unfortunately they were successful in helping to rig the fraudulent referendum of 2016. .

We knew that ther had been interference in the Scottish referendum in 2014 ,now we know that not only the UK government was involved bit Russia too .....democracy at its best in this DIS united kingdom .Saor Alba

lemongrove

Whitewavemark2

The Tory party is a threat to U.K. security

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No, that would be Corbyn and friends, they were great pals with Russians.

That has to be one of the most idiotic, fingers in the ears posts I've seen on here for a while, lemon.

Do tell me how much money Russians have donated to the Labour Party. And about all the times that Corbyn went partying with Russian oligarchs...

Russian links with the tory party are legion. Russian links with the Labour party? You tell me...

A bit dull - because all the important bits were redacted out, perhaps?

Turning a blind eye to Russian interference and taking their money at the same time- adds to treason - nothing less.

Russian monetary donations to the Tory party is at the bottom of this scandal. The foregoing political donation income has made a political party with little more than one hundred thousand members the wealthiest political organisation in the United kingdom by a substantial volume.

Only the labour party generates the vast majority of its income from within its own membership, but that is often condemned on this forum by those who abhor trade unions and the affiliation of their membership to the Parliamentary Labour party.

So its make your mind up time for some on this forum in regards to which do they want, private donation by the wealthy organisations and persons, or funding from within by a six million strong UK wide Labour movement.

The above has to be the two alternatives as funding of political parties by taxation will never come about in Britain.

Grasping at straws?

Urmstongran

Today, from the Washington Post:

“Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage said the report exonerated him and his movement to leave the European Union. “Years of lies and smears from Remain politicians and much of our media. There is no evidence of Russian involvement with Leave EU or me in the referendum,” he wrote on Facebook. “It was all a hoax — apologies are now required.”

Guy Verhofstadt, the chief Brexit negotiator for the European Parliament, tweeted that Brexit had been “a gift” to Russian President Vladimir Putin. But he offered only the relatively toothless observation that “the Russia Report shows just how many questions remain unanswered.”

This must come as a huge disappointment to Remainers/anti Boris brigade/conspiracy theorists.

The report was a bit of a dull thud for expectations.

The security and intelligence committee wouldn’t agree with Farage.

Ask him about The £8million donation by his buddy.