Teachers more worthy than doctors?

Orangerose

Growstuff that is a weekly email. Each weekly email contained that amount of work. I’m sorry I don’t have the email to prove to you but that’s what she got. My daughter has used the bbc bite size and so have I. As you say my neighbour is lazy and my grand daughter unfortunate.

Quite!

I don't know how your neighbour has got away with it.

I trained, qualified and worked as a nurse for 22 years. I then changed careers and worked as a teacher. My goodness. In all the years I was nursing I NEVER , EVER TOOK A PATIENT HOME WITH ME. As a teacher, I never ever didn’t take work home. It was relentless. The six week holiday is a myth, I reckon in reality it was around 3 weeks as the time was spent getting ready for the next term. I taught for 23 years and I do know what I’m talking about.

There was a post on FB early on by a Dad who said he’d been home schooling ONE child for 1/2 hour and he thought teachers should be paid £1m pa! ?
Our eldest DGC has been a year 3 primary school teacher since last Sept. She works 12 hour days inc weekends. She worked through most of the hols looking after children of essential workers-a wide age range. She has been teaching half of a year one-couldn’t physically fit any more in the room. She had one day a week off when she home schooled her own year 3 when she did zoom, made videos, phone calls. It was relentless. She is now in school preparing for Sept. I can see why diligent teachers burn out-she can’t carry on like this-but she loves it and her pupils too.

Growstuff that is a weekly email. Each weekly email contained that amount of work. I’m sorry I don’t have the email to prove to you but that’s what she got. My daughter has used the bbc bite size and so have I. As you say my neighbour is lazy and my grand daughter unfortunate.

MawB I'll repeat.

Nurses' pay is decided by a different awarding body. They are in a different place in the pay review cycle.

I worked in the public sector, not the NHS. Our pay was frozen for years and now the public sector is so far behind the private sector that , for many, it is not a career option. The NHS workers train for years and are rewarded with peanuts. I think nurses are worth double what they are paid now.

Think the doctors in hospitals have been amazing but during this pandemic I have been really disappointed with my GP’s only needed to contact them twice and both times felt very down

NfkDumpling

Humbertbear your son is a star, but around here at primary level he’s very much the exception. My three DGC at primary have had virtually no help or supervision from theIr teachers whatsoever. Just occasional emails giving links to the BBC or government teaching programmes - no checking or help, just here it is get on with it if you feel like it.

I’m with Gillybob too. There’s nothing for the teaching assistants, school cleaners, etc who, unlike the teachers, are pro rata’ed, are on less than minimum living wage p.a.

Or the rest of the hospital staff who also turned out to support the doctors and nurses. I understand the nurses aren’t eligible because they already have a three year deal going through. That seems nit-picking in the extreme too.

I'll repeat.

All these people have separate pay award bodies, which sit independently.

Teachers' pay is unusual in that it is enshrined in law as an Act of Parliament. Whatever the awarding body recommends cannot and does not affect other pay awards.

gillybob

Education ? What education ? My DGC haven’t seen a school for almost 5 months .

NHS ? What NHS my DH has been seriously ill and in need of an operation for 2 years now.

Mind you the executives in our LA are doing very well thank you very much .

Every sympathy Gillybob
Normally I’d be the last to criticise the public sector and I am certainly not going to start on the frontline NHS hospital staff.
However I am totally at a loss as to why GP services have been virtually non existent. Not a week passes without a text from my GP practice telling on no account to try to see a doctor, all cases will be triaged by phone (OK. I can see the sense in much of that) but no nurse clinic services (e.g.legs clinic) and the texts are couched in such a discouraging way that I am sure that if I had any worries I would be best waiting until I feel better -or worse enough to constitute an emergency.
That is no way to run the system - prevention is better (and cheaper) than waiting for something to become serious. Elective or planned surgery has been shelved, cancer treatment and drugs trials which could have been lifesaving often not even started. It’s not a good time to be unwell.
What many in the public sector fail to accept (and I was one) is that security of employment and a guaranteed pension are the price you pay for not getting the much higher salaries in other areas. One of my daughters has lost her livelihood /career, another missed being furloughed as she was at the end of her maternity leave (unpaid) and had hoped to move to a more local slightly more part time job in a new growing company (that is just beginning to get going, but is precarious) and the third is a teacher - no problem, even getting key worker places for the DGC s when their school reopened.
I don’t begrudge anybody anything but why on earth have nurses missed out? And the dispensing with final year student nurses who stepped up to deal with the Covid cases is nothing short of scandalous.
The government has to be fair and seen to be fair - a few £10 discounts off meals are no substitute.

EllanVannin

What on earth are you talking about, growstuff ?

In what respect?

I'm talking sense.

Humbertbear your son is a star, but around here at primary level he’s very much the exception. My three DGC at primary have had virtually no help or supervision from theIr teachers whatsoever. Just occasional emails giving links to the BBC or government teaching programmes - no checking or help, just here it is get on with it if you feel like it.

I’m with Gillybob too. There’s nothing for the teaching assistants, school cleaners, etc who, unlike the teachers, are pro rata’ed, are on less than minimum living wage p.a.

Or the rest of the hospital staff who also turned out to support the doctors and nurses. I understand the nurses aren’t eligible because they already have a three year deal going through. That seems nit-picking in the extreme too.

My children are the same growstuff. When my DS acted as a helper on his DD's school trip he was so helpful (he is great with children) one of the staff asked if he had ever thought of being a teacher. He just roared with laughter.

Orangerose

growstuff- she had to write a page or two in her online diary about her time spent during lockdown and a page of maths.

Is that all she got for the whole of lockdown?

What about links to BBC Bitesize lessons?

I would like to add to this lively discussion by giving my impression of the workload of teachers and doctors during lockdown and still. Two teachers I know have had a lovely, relaxing few months hardly no school contact and are now well relaxed for the school holidays. They have had endless beach days and one actually confessed that everything was now done at home and thank goodness to be going away for the holidays or it would be boring ! A medical couple I know well, one a GP , partner a consultant have both had very little work to do during the pandemic. GP one had had some phone appointments from his bedroom and consultant has been able to take on extra private work and still be relaxing at home a lot with the children. Surgery and hospital very quiet apparently, not busy at all. They have a fabulous salary and lifestyle, family holidays away every school holiday usually abroad so not sure they need a rise.

What on earth are you talking about, growstuff ?

Orangerose

growstuff- she had to write a page or two in her online diary about her time spent during lockdown and a page of maths.

In that case, she was unfortunate. I've seen what other teachers are setting their pupils. I've even helped write some of the materials other teachers have written. I've seen what my neighbour's son has been given and I've also seen what my online tutees have been given by their schools. I've read what other parents have written on local Facebook groups. Most of them have complained that they have been set work which takes more than the normal 25 hours lesson time.

trisher

I wonder how the teacher bashers will feel when their GCs' school cuts the school week because they simply don't have enough teachers to cover? Who will be to blame then?

You must know as well as I do that teachers make a convenient punchbag. It's been the norm for years. It's no wonder that teachers hit back. They know how hard they work, but it's pointless saying anything because they get labelled as whingers.

My children would never consider teaching in a million years. Paying £37,500 for a degree plus PGCE and extra for a loan for living costs doesn't give good returns.

Brilliant comments, gillybob. In total agreement with you, no matter how many glasses of wine you've had. I'll be raising a glass to you later. Some people don't know they're born, do they?

growstuff- she had to write a page or two in her online diary about her time spent during lockdown and a page of maths.

EllanVannin

I'm with you on this Gillybob and what you say is spot on. x

How did you score as a team player in your annual appraisal?

So many who work for the public sector have got far too much power which is why they've got this obnoxious militant stance.

I wonder how the teacher bashers will feel when their GCs' school cuts the school week because they simply don't have enough teachers to cover? Who will be to blame then?

I'm with you on this Gillybob and what you say is spot on. x

Deedaa

Of course teachers have been at work PinkCakes My SIL has been teaching on line ever since March and will now spend the summer "holiday" trying to sort out classes and syllabuses for September. My next door neighbour is in the same position. You may not realise it but they work through a lot of the holidays anyway. Work doesn't finish because the school has shut. They are also very poorly paid for what they do.

I couldn’t agree more. My son is exhausted. He has taught all day, every day online as well as being Literacy coordinator across a large Primary school and had to supervise his own three children as well, when they go back in September there will be no team planning, due to keeping in their bubbles. I had hoped that after a term of home schooling people would be more understanding of the teacher’s role and importance in their children’s lives

Ellianne

^Without teachers there would be no doctors.^
But once again, Grandma70s that kind of comment serves to put teachers above everyone else. Grrrr. I just wish they could come off their pedestal and stop the superiority.

Unless, of course, you meant it in a light hearted way.

It's true though.