Teachers more worthy than doctors?

I don’t think it’s worked out through ‘worthiness’ but other factors at play.
Our policeman SIL is very pleased.?

I don’t think any of them deserve a pay rise . The country is heading for a massive recession and there are going to be huge job losses across the private sector too . Talk about the “them and us”
divide .

The pay rises were advised by independent salary review organisations. The largest increase for teachers is for classroom teachers who are the lowest paid. A teacher starts at £22000, A Junior doctor starts at £23000 but jumps to £28000 in the second year. Most Junior doctors (who are still in training) earn £30000.
Senior teachers get a smaller percentage rise.

When dh was working for the nhs, the governments of the day often ignored the review board.

@gillybob
I’m hoping you can’t be serious - public sector pay has dropped so far behind the private sector in the past 10 years, without them through this crisis, literally putting their lives on the line this country would have been on its knees by now. Of course the private sector is important too, but give credit where it’s due please.

I don't agree with teachers getting a rise at all - the majority of them haven't been at work for months, and now they're off for the 6 weeks holiday (they get about 13 weeks a year, don't they?)

PinkCakes

I don't agree with teachers getting a rise at all - the majority of them haven't been at work for months, and now they're off for the 6 weeks holiday (they get about 13 weeks a year, don't they?)

(sigh) The majority of teachers have been at work.

The pay rise was decided by a review body, which had its reasons.

One of the reasons the government has probably accepted it is because teacher recruitment has missed its targets for a couple of years. There is also a huge problem with retention beyond five years, which is surprising considering it's allegedly such a cushy job.

In any case, it won't cost the government anything because there's no additional funding and money will have to come from elsewhere within the education budget.

I can't understand pay rises at this juncture with the way the country's in debt at present.
No wonder they're taking away TV licences then, to pay for the rises.

Of course teachers have been at work PinkCakes My SIL has been teaching on line ever since March and will now spend the summer "holiday" trying to sort out classes and syllabuses for September. My next door neighbour is in the same position. You may not realise it but they work through a lot of the holidays anyway. Work doesn't finish because the school has shut. They are also very poorly paid for what they do.

Nope, money saved on TV licences won't go towards paying doctors and teachers.

The salary review bodies meet regularly, pandemic or not.

Job retention might not be so much of an issue in the future, as the way things are, you’ll be lucky to be in a job.

In normal times, I agree the review board has its reasons for awarding pay rises, but we are currently in exceptional times. I just think that could a bit more compassion maybe have been shown by freezing salaries and by giving EVERYONE who reported for work during the crisis the same blanket bonus (at Christmas)?

gillybob I also agree with your comment.

Same old complaints suggesting the public sector gets it easy in comparison with the private sector. I never quite understand why people who make those complaints don't get themselves what they see as a cushy public sector job.

Teachers have been working throughout lockdown. Some working even longer hours than usual

Teachers pay has fallen behind for many years. its one of the reasons for the difficulties in recruitment and retention. Spend £75000 training to earn £21000 and work 15 hour days?

PinkCakes

I don't agree with teachers getting a rise at all - the majority of them haven't been at work for months, and now they're off for the 6 weeks holiday (they get about 13 weeks a year, don't they?)

“The majority of them haven’t been at work “. In the words of john McEnroe “you cannot be serious” . Pink cakes you don’t really think that do you ? Tell me you were joking please.

Mother of a teacher here who went into school over the entire lockdown, as did her colleagues, to provide staff for key worker children. Worked some days over her Easter and half term holidays.

That said, what about the bin men? True heroes! Squashed up in a cab (no social distancing for them) providing a wonderful service for the community.

Trust me Casdon I am very serious . More serious than I have ever been. Who do these people think they are ? So they’re teachers, civil servants ? Whatever?

The country is on its knees ! People in the private sector (you know those who pay the public sector wages) are losing their jobs left right and centre .

We need to get a grip . This country is so much more than the bl**dy public sector .

So some of the teachers went to work . Blimey that was so good of them . Some of the bin men emptied bins , really ? And some civil servants worked from home . How brave .

What about the supermarket staff working around the clock facing the public day in and day out ?what about factory workers On minimum wage ? Do they get a pay rise ? You bet they don’t .

I also agree gillybob - completely spot on. Well said.

Another bash teachers thread, I see.

Go ahead. Bash away. You can’t see us crying.

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Gillybob, the people who pay the public sector wages include the public sector workers themselves, via taxes.

My neighbour is an infant teacher and has barely done a stroke of work since March and had bragged to me how little she had done and got away with it. She has spent most of the year doing her garden and doing jobs. Pay rise? What a joke.

For goodness sake can no one understand what I am saying? Without the private sector there is no public sector at all.

Yes you pay your taxes but bloomin heck so do the rest of us . The public sector in this country are almost untouchables .