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Teachers more worthy than doctors?

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Ellianne Tue 21-Jul-20 18:34:27

Teachers are to receive an average 3.1% percent pay rise
doctors 2.8%
and police 2.5%
I'm not discussing here the ins and outs of each individual job, but the discrepancy in how each profession has been rewarded differently, (unfairly), for its performance during the covid crisis. Haven't doctors put their lives on the line during the past 4 months?

lemongrove Tue 21-Jul-20 18:39:52

I don’t think it’s worked out through ‘worthiness’ but other factors at play.
Our policeman SIL is very pleased.😃

gillybob Tue 21-Jul-20 18:39:55

I don’t think any of them deserve a pay rise . The country is heading for a massive recession and there are going to be huge job losses across the private sector too . Talk about the “them and us”
divide .

trisher Tue 21-Jul-20 18:55:47

The pay rises were advised by independent salary review organisations. The largest increase for teachers is for classroom teachers who are the lowest paid. A teacher starts at £22000, A Junior doctor starts at £23000 but jumps to £28000 in the second year. Most Junior doctors (who are still in training) earn £30000.
Senior teachers get a smaller percentage rise.

kittylester Tue 21-Jul-20 19:02:47

When dh was working for the nhs, the governments of the day often ignored the review board.

Casdon Tue 21-Jul-20 19:05:08

@gillybob
I’m hoping you can’t be serious - public sector pay has dropped so far behind the private sector in the past 10 years, without them through this crisis, literally putting their lives on the line this country would have been on its knees by now. Of course the private sector is important too, but give credit where it’s due please.

PinkCakes Tue 21-Jul-20 19:35:51

I don't agree with teachers getting a rise at all - the majority of them haven't been at work for months, and now they're off for the 6 weeks holiday (they get about 13 weeks a year, don't they?)

growstuff Tue 21-Jul-20 19:43:43

PinkCakes

I don't agree with teachers getting a rise at all - the majority of them haven't been at work for months, and now they're off for the 6 weeks holiday (they get about 13 weeks a year, don't they?)

(sigh) The majority of teachers have been at work.

The pay rise was decided by a review body, which had its reasons.

One of the reasons the government has probably accepted it is because teacher recruitment has missed its targets for a couple of years. There is also a huge problem with retention beyond five years, which is surprising considering it's allegedly such a cushy job.

In any case, it won't cost the government anything because there's no additional funding and money will have to come from elsewhere within the education budget.

EllanVannin Tue 21-Jul-20 19:43:45

I can't understand pay rises at this juncture with the way the country's in debt at present.
No wonder they're taking away TV licences then, to pay for the rises.

Deedaa Tue 21-Jul-20 19:44:45

Of course teachers have been at work PinkCakes My SIL has been teaching on line ever since March and will now spend the summer "holiday" trying to sort out classes and syllabuses for September. My next door neighbour is in the same position. You may not realise it but they work through a lot of the holidays anyway. Work doesn't finish because the school has shut. They are also very poorly paid for what they do.

growstuff Tue 21-Jul-20 19:45:35

Nope, money saved on TV licences won't go towards paying doctors and teachers.

The salary review bodies meet regularly, pandemic or not.

Calendargirl Tue 21-Jul-20 19:56:46

Job retention might not be so much of an issue in the future, as the way things are, you’ll be lucky to be in a job.

Ellianne Tue 21-Jul-20 20:10:43

In normal times, I agree the review board has its reasons for awarding pay rises, but we are currently in exceptional times. I just think that could a bit more compassion maybe have been shown by freezing salaries and by giving EVERYONE who reported for work during the crisis the same blanket bonus (at Christmas)?

Ellianne Tue 21-Jul-20 20:11:50

gillybob I also agree with your comment.

Iam64 Tue 21-Jul-20 20:12:28

Same old complaints suggesting the public sector gets it easy in comparison with the private sector. I never quite understand why people who make those complaints don't get themselves what they see as a cushy public sector job.

Teachers have been working throughout lockdown. Some working even longer hours than usual

Teachers pay has fallen behind for many years. its one of the reasons for the difficulties in recruitment and retention. Spend £75000 training to earn £21000 and work 15 hour days?

Lucca Tue 21-Jul-20 20:20:11

PinkCakes

I don't agree with teachers getting a rise at all - the majority of them haven't been at work for months, and now they're off for the 6 weeks holiday (they get about 13 weeks a year, don't they?)

“The majority of them haven’t been at work “. In the words of john McEnroe “you cannot be serious” . Pink cakes you don’t really think that do you ? Tell me you were joking please.

Urmstongran Tue 21-Jul-20 20:48:18

Mother of a teacher here who went into school over the entire lockdown, as did her colleagues, to provide staff for key worker children. Worked some days over her Easter and half term holidays.

That said, what about the bin men? True heroes! Squashed up in a cab (no social distancing for them) providing a wonderful service for the community.

gillybob Tue 21-Jul-20 21:58:18

Trust me Casdon I am very serious . More serious than I have ever been. Who do these people think they are ? So they’re teachers, civil servants ? Whatever?

The country is on its knees ! People in the private sector (you know those who pay the public sector wages) are losing their jobs left right and centre .

We need to get a grip . This country is so much more than the bl**dy public sector .

gillybob Tue 21-Jul-20 22:00:45

So some of the teachers went to work . Blimey that was so good of them . Some of the bin men emptied bins , really ? And some civil servants worked from home . How brave .

What about the supermarket staff working around the clock facing the public day in and day out ?what about factory workers On minimum wage ? Do they get a pay rise ? You bet they don’t .

Orangerose Tue 21-Jul-20 22:06:49

I also agree gillybob - completely spot on. Well said.

geekesse Tue 21-Jul-20 22:07:01

Another bash teachers thread, I see.

Go ahead. Bash away. You can’t see us crying.

gillybob Tue 21-Jul-20 22:09:59

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RubyGran Tue 21-Jul-20 22:10:02

Gillybob, the people who pay the public sector wages include the public sector workers themselves, via taxes.

Orangerose Tue 21-Jul-20 22:12:52

My neighbour is an infant teacher and has barely done a stroke of work since March and had bragged to me how little she had done and got away with it. She has spent most of the year doing her garden and doing jobs. Pay rise? What a joke.

gillybob Tue 21-Jul-20 22:13:57

For goodness sake can no one understand what I am saying? Without the private sector there is no public sector at all.

Yes you pay your taxes but bloomin heck so do the rest of us . The public sector in this country are almost untouchables .