Teachers more worthy than doctors?

Urmstongran

I haven’t read all the posts but I’ve just had a thought (it might already have been made). I wonder if Rishi Sunak is buttering up the teachers to encourage them back into work in September?

The increase in starting pay was promised before the election as a bung. However, it's not funded and is at the expense of salaries for many existing teachers, so I don't think it will butter many of them up. They'll go back anyway.

Can't be doing with all these people saying teachers have done nothing during this pandemic.

Anecdotal, but my daughter and daughter-in-law are both primary school teachers

They both were setting work every day. My daughter was actually back at home for the 3 months the schools were closed and she was hard at work

They both went back to school in June where they had to cope with all the social distancing and changes in the classroom.

And as Hetty58 so rightly said, without teachers we'd have no doctors!

Ellianne, yet another GN teacher bashing post. There simply wouldn't be any doctors without education!

newnanny

As an ealybretired teacher I xan assure you many teachers have done very little during Covid. I foster a 14 year old with SN. He has in Maths been sent 4 worksheets during whole of lockdown. Not one lesson in any subject on line at his school. School refused to open for key worker children and vulnerable children with SW. Not one piece of work he sent into schol marked with feedback for improvement and no differentiated work set for his year group. Only one school but I have heard of many other schools acting in a similar way.

Some teachers have been caught red handed actively selling tuition on Tutor Hunt for up to £95 per hour during school hours instead of teaching their own pupils. Effectively being paid twice.

Teachers have not come out of Covid crisis looking good.

Wow! £95 an hour? I advertise my services on TutorHunt and I've never seen anybody charge that much.

BTW Serving teachers are allowed to work as tutors.

Whingingmom

A bit derailing but relevant - I believe nurses are getting no increase whatsoever.

No, because they've already had a pay rise and the timing isn't right for a pay increase as part of the review cycle.

eazybee

There is no 'encouraging' teachers back to work; the schools are opening on September 1st and teachers will be there. The salary rises were worked out before this.
The National Education Union (formerly NUT) is squaring up for a fight, as is the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL) who has announced that Teachers' pay rises are 'a kick in the teeth.' The members of both unions should be ashamed of themselves.

I've been reading the details of the pay rise.

It's not a pay rise of 3.5% across the board. In fact, some teachers will receive almost nothing.

Before the last election, the Conservatives pledged to increase the starting salary of teachers massively, to bring it into line with the average starting salary of other graduates. That's what they've done. Then the pay structure remains flat, with almost no annual pay increments.

There is no new money. The pay rise has to be made out of existing budgets. All it's done is force schools to shift pay from experienced to less experienced staff. I have no idea how this is supposed to help with the retention of staff who have done the job for a few years and have improved their practice. They will be faced with the choice of leaving or seeking endless promotions, which many teachers don't want because they prefer to stay in the classroom rather than go into management.

A bit derailing but relevant - I believe nurses are getting no increase whatsoever.

And here we have it, divide and conquer. ...
Everyone should be paid a decent wage, we are a rich country, we can well afford it
NHS staff have been nothing short of exemplary, as have police officers, teachers who have gone to teach in hubs, without any PPE, then worked tirelessly from home
Endlessly squabbling about who deserves what, achieves nothing
Let's just give everyone a decent wage, not squabble about who deserves what
I'm sure we can all give analagies, I certainly could
Let's not do that
Let's just hope for fairness for everyone

As an ealybretired teacher I xan assure you many teachers have done very little during Covid. I foster a 14 year old with SN. He has in Maths been sent 4 worksheets during whole of lockdown. Not one lesson in any subject on line at his school. School refused to open for key worker children and vulnerable children with SW. Not one piece of work he sent into schol marked with feedback for improvement and no differentiated work set for his year group. Only one school but I have heard of many other schools acting in a similar way.

Some teachers have been caught red handed actively selling tuition on Tutor Hunt for up to £95 per hour during school hours instead of teaching their own pupils. Effectively being paid twice.

Teachers have not come out of Covid crisis looking good.

I think the problem with teachers is that although the majority have worked hard during lockdown some have done absolutely nothing. I have been told this from colleagues who are still in the teaching profession.

Maddyone my NQ medic dd has just come home and told us about the pay rise - or rather lack of! As she said, and I make no apologies for using capitals, the pay rise is FAKE NEWS! ?

So do I.
I now earn, per hour, what I was paid flat rate about 15+ years ago, with none of the enhancements I used to get.

Tory govt are saying teacher 'pay rises' of 3%. In real terms, teachers earn as much as 8% less than they did in 2010.

There is no 'encouraging' teachers back to work; the schools are opening on September 1st and teachers will be there. The salary rises were worked out before this.
The National Education Union (formerly NUT) is squaring up for a fight, as is the Association of School and College Leaders (ASCL) who has announced that Teachers' pay rises are 'a kick in the teeth.' The members of both unions should be ashamed of themselves.

I haven’t read all the posts but I’ve just had a thought (it might already have been made). I wonder if Rishi Sunak is buttering up the teachers to encourage them back into work in September?

I sincerely hope you’re not calling my post silly daftbag. Nor the original post. And if you’d read my post, you would realise that GPs and doctors in training ie doctors who are not yet Consultants, will not be getting any increase at all.

Pink Cakes
Have you been in a school lately? Teachers have worked through lock down, planning and delivering online lessons, phoning children, videoing sports challenges etc. They have been in school, planning how to get all children back safely in September and teaching key workers' children and year 6. The pay rise will be funded from the school budget, if they can afford it!

What a silly post, no one profession is more worthy than another, they have ALL given their utmost in their own way, and that includes shop staff, delivery drivers, care home staff, hospital and cleaners in all workplaces, lorry drivers, warehouse staff, repair workers, council workers, volunteers, I could go on, the only thing that draws them all together is that they all gave their utmost for us all, and continue to do so. In my mind every one of them should be given a huge reward. The salary increases that the OP mentions are actually not in respect of the work that they have carried out during the covid19 crisis but the increases to salaries negotiated by their professional bodies, and the Government.

As for teachers not working throughout the crisis, they have been working, they have still been holding classes on line and working really hard to try to keep their pupils engaged, setting work, and marking the same, they have been teaching pupils still attending school, and beginning the preparation for next year's work which will include working on catching up for those pupils who haven't followed the curriculum this year for whatever reason.

I think you’re right growstuff. I’ve got the information that my daughter sent to me, but I’m rubbish at links and can’t post them. It seems to boil down to salaried GPs and Consultants getting the rise. I am so cross growstuff that I can barely think straight, after all the stresses, the additional work, the extra expenses (nursery fees) the possibilities of illness, I’m just so cross that’s she is valued so little. Thank you for saying that you’ve been helped by a kind GP. My girl takes such a pride in her work, and also her managerial work in organising the delivery of services in our area.

Am I right in thinking it's mainly for consultants and salaried GPs?

I've just been reading the official government statement and it seems GPs can give themselves a pay rise, as long as they make savings elsewhere.

The government seems to want to get rid of traditional GPs. I keep seeing ads for Babylon Health, which is linked to Matt Hancock and Dominic Cummings, and other online services. (Ali Parsa, who founded Babylon Health, is the man who made a mess of Hinchingbrooke Hospital and ended up handing it back to the NHS). I read somewhere that the government is hoping that the public's experience of remote appointments will mean there are more text, telephone and video appointments. I could actually weep because I've lost count of the times a kind GP has kept me going. I don't want remote appointments.

Lots of people are “better off” during lockdown with no travelling expenses , childcare, lunches - not just teachers!!!

.....won’t be getting a brass bean........

So actually GrandmaMoira you’re wrong! Many, many doctors won’t getting a brass bean!

Well since my last post I haven’t yet read the rest of the thread ( I’ll go back and read it) but I’m ABSOLUTELY INCENSED because I have now found out from my GP daughter that she, along with many other doctors will not be getting this rise in pay. GPs who are Practice Partners are not getting this rise, nor indeed are doctors in training! That means most of our hospital doctors and many, many GPs. All her stress and extra hours over the time of the Covid19 crisis is worth - NOTHING!
I’m incandescent with annoyance. This is how much Britain values it’s medics

And most of you probably don’t know, but last year the government stopped paying GPs any allowances for the multitude of additional, routine tasks they do, such as annual checks on blood pressure, cholesterol tests, asthma reviews, and a whole host more things. As a result my daughter suffered a reduction in her pay of £4000 a year and my nephew also lost money for the same reason. And now they won’t get the pay rise. I would think given the exclusions that very few doctors will actually get it. Never mind, we only lost 500+ medics during the Covid19 crisis. It really doesn’t matter because doctors are clearly not valuable.

Whilst teachers obviously deserve a decent salary, doctors have been given a rise but the rest of the NHS staff haven't. Nurses who have been on the front line in ICU etc. with Covid patients, are getting nothing extra.