Boris is up in Scotland today ???????

Thing is Lemongrove we're not IN HOCK to anyone ,England is fully dependent on Scottish funding ,,without it they'll go bust ..several tories have even publicly been brave enough to admit to that FACT

Of course Granny23 once Scottish Tories understand they can vot Tory in an Independent Scotland..though it would be tories who work FOR Scotland and not agianst it like the present ones..they may see for themselves that the Independence route is the only one that makes sense.

Just read a wee piece about irelands Whiskey industry ,currently they are rated as selling 4% of all world whisky.The revenue raised is in excess of 2 . 6 BILLION yet WM who has control of export figures for Scotch tells us it only brings in 4 Billion ..thats despite Scotch whisky having 80% OF WORLD SALES?? Anyone who doesn't see something far wrong there needs to give their wee head a wobble...we're being fleeced

As Borisovich is planning to remove devolved powers I suspect that the Scottish will see the EU as being the very much lesser of two evils. At least they'll have their own government and a say in what is going on.

@lemongrove. No need to whisper, we live here and know there is a Nessie.
As for Boris being Braveheart, don’t make us laugh. Kudos for going to Scotland? Why?

Jabberwok

That's just the point though. The EU isn't an organisation of equal partners. It likes to portray itself as this benign group of like minded nations but in reality the financial contributors hold all the cards and make all the decisions, well two do in total reality!! Ask the Dutch, they can tell you all about being over ridden in more ways than one!. Sure the recipients have a say, but are frequently brushed aside by the big players, obviously with veiled threats to their finances which they heavily rely on the wealthier nations for and are in debt over! The powerful countries make sure of that! Scotland will be recipient and will have to obey the big boys, Independence is managing your own affairs without interference from others, not going from one dependency to another!

Well said Jabberwok but SNP supporters don’t seem to mind being ‘in hock’ to France and Germany.....it’s only being united with England that bothers them.
Of course if they really wanted true independence then they would go it alone.
Boris is Braveheart ?going to Scotland, so kudos for that.
To Scottish grans.....( whispers) there is no Nessie! ?

grandtanteJE65 that's assuming she recognises Boris as human.

Poor Nessie!

Actually, she promised St. Columba that she wouldn't eat any more humans after she tried to dine on one of his monks, so I doubt she will be willing to accept Boris for supper.

Long before SNP cornered the votes, Scotland tended to vote Labour, so I doubt the Conservative Party will ever be very popular in Scotland.

Whatever their political views, most Scots are unlikely to feel that anyone who lies as much as the present Prime Minister is worth listening to.

But don't let's forget how many posters (GN and Twitter) express not only respect for NS and an understanding of our need/desire for independence but also say they'd like to live here. There are too, significant numbers who would welcome NS in RUK!
However no takers for keeping BJ up here-even with the tempting thought of feeding him to Nessie!

While Boris's attitude towards Scotland and its people has not changed since 2001, (Today's example, his failure to notify the First Minister of his visit to Scotland) his power and influence has now reached it's Zenith. He intends to take back powers currently devolved to the Scottish Government, and to rule the UK as one Nation. This he could now do because of his large Tory majority at Westminster and with no need to abide by EU rules on subsidiarity. He presents this as being to Scotland's advantage, but the real reason is to keep Scotland's wealth in terms of power generation, self sufficiency in food, e.g. fish. excess water supplies, and still the biggest oil fields in Europe. As attested to by many GN posters, Scottish Voters are converting to the SNP in droves and support for Independence is at an all time high of 54% and rising. Polls have also shown that a majority of English Tory voters would love to cast Scotland adrift, thinking that this would save RUK a lot of money (they are sadly misguided of course).

but in reality the financial contributors hold all the cards and make all the decisions, well two do in total reality!!

You're never going to believe that the UK was up there with 'the two'. But we were.

Or that, by not being in the euro, and never intending to be, we had far more control of our finances than players in the eurozone.

Still, come 2021 we're going to find out the hard way just what our spurious 'independence' will mean...

an Dunt
@IanDunt

The rise of Scottish independence is not the result of impressive campaigning by Scottish nationalists. It is the result of rampant English nationalism.

That's just the point though. The EU isn't an organisation of equal partners. It likes to portray itself as this benign group of like minded nations but in reality the financial contributors hold all the cards and make all the decisions, well two do in total reality!! Ask the Dutch, they can tell you all about being over ridden in more ways than one!. Sure the recipients have a say, but are frequently brushed aside by the big players, obviously with veiled threats to their finances which they heavily rely on the wealthier nations for and are in debt over! The powerful countries make sure of that! Scotland will be recipient and will have to obey the big boys, Independence is managing your own affairs without interference from others, not going from one dependency to another!

brook2704

I own up I’ve never previously been a fan of Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP or Independence but the way she’s handling the COVID-19 crisis and speaking directly to the people is impressive. I’ll certainly listen more to her views and reasons for Independence more closely in the future and she’s probably now got my vote.

I think she is doing a great job. I respect her, particularly how she refuses to be pushed into badmouthing Boris.

“Och aye, it's the New Jerusalem!” he writes. “It's a land of milk and honey they're building up there in Scotland, laddie. They'll nae be doing with your horrid Anglo-Saxon devil-take-the-hindmost approach. No, they're just more socialist than us sour-mouthed Sassenachs. “They want to spend on the puir wee students, provided, of course, that they are poor wee Scottish students, not English ones. They want to shame the tightwads in the Treasury by spending on the puir wee Scottish teachers - in fact, they've given them a pay rise of 21.5% over the next three years, far more than the English teachers are getting. “And now, just to show how much generally nicer they are than the English, they have decided to spend, spend, spend on the puir wee old folks who need someone to help them open a can of beans.”

Boris Johnston writing in the telegraph 2001

trisher

According to the news Nicola Sturgeon is more popular than Boris in Scotland-I wonder why? I think there is a distict possibility that most of the UK would think the same!

I'm sure she is.
However, I like her even less than I like Boris and that's saying something.

But it doesn't matter as I don't live in England or Scotland so my opinion doesn't count

It seems that those who want to destabilise the West are winning - not just by lying and cheating their way to a disastrous brexit, but also by doing everything possible to break up the UK.

I don’t think BJ is well liked in Scotland. But at least he’s visiting, probably knowing full well he’s not liked.

Will you keep him up there and perhaps feed him to Nessie or something. I can’t stand him.

I own up I’ve never previously been a fan of Nicola Sturgeon, the SNP or Independence but the way she’s handling the COVID-19 crisis and speaking directly to the people is impressive. I’ll certainly listen more to her views and reasons for Independence more closely in the future and she’s probably now got my vote.

Mind you, when has any PM in recent years been welcomed warmly in Scotland?Or any years.

I like lemongroves suggestion.

That really would prove that he is a patronising idiot and totally out-of-touch! (As proved by his suggestion that a Scotland/ NI bridge is any sort of priority.)

A visit from BJ is sure to boost support for independence.

A warm welcome in Orkney.