Why did Starmer settle out of court Give a grovelling apology and pay out six figure sum?

So there are no comments. Only a very few people using false names, some not very wise. So why is the mainstream media saying there are comments, when there are none. Surely not a lie?

MaizieD

On a slightly different 'angle', we know that many of the people named in the leaked report are preparing to sue the Labour Party for breaches of the data protection act.

Is Starmer supposed to pick up the tab for that, too? Seeing that it was his 'enemies' within the LP who orchestrated the leak...

This feels more and more dystopian to me.

Amused to find that I, and other supporters of Labour policies, seem to have been transformed from Corbyn lovers to Starmer lovers ???

Should it be that the allegations contained within the leak report turn out to be correct, then those who compiled that report should be applauded for bringing forward essential information to the benefit of all those who financially subscribe to the Labour Party and those who support its overall democratic political ambitions.

^ then those who compiled that report should be applauded for bringing forward essential information to the benefit of all those who financially subscribe to the Labour Party and those who support its overall democratic political ambitions^.

Not a word about the breaches of the Data Protection Act, then, Grandad? From you who is always so insistent on the operation of 'the law'? Shame on you.

Whatever the rights or wrongs of the affair, the 'leakers' have broken the law in this respect and it is monstrous that the LP might have to pay for their folly.

I cant believe people are minimising the deliberate use of the names. Well I can believe it.

Grandad1943 - I see that you wisely say "Should it be that the allegations ....turn out to be correct".

That was the point of my post earlier. We don't yet know if these allegations are correct.

As Corbyn supporters firmly believe that they are and will continue to insist that they are it is therefore fortunate that the allegations in the leaked report will form part of the EHRC investigation so that the truth will emerge.

I am also pleased that the leaking of the report is being investigated since all that those who leaked it are likely to achieve is to bankrupt the only opposition party we have in this country. The Tories must be delighted at how the Labour Party is tearing itself apart.

MaizieD - have just seen your post sent at 11:28.

I agree that those who leaked the report have no regard for the law, especially data protection law. All they were thinking about was salving the reputation of their man. They just won't accept that he has gone and his favoured candidate to be his successor was badly beaten in the leadership elections.

I assume that their actions were not sanctioned by the Labour Party so I am hoping that the party will not be held responsible in the end.

I do not believe there IS anti semitism in the LP. Or at least, no more than in the Tory party, which in addition has a problem with Islamophobia.

This was all just another piece of the jigsaw to prevent Labour from succeeding in the election.

I understand why Starmer is doing it. The stain left by the allegations is still there. But by doing this, he is blackening the reputation of a man who was almost broken by the undeserved vitriol thrown at him during the election.

Sadly, in the long run I don't believe it will make any difference. The establishment, big business and Cummings Russian friends and contacts will see to it that there isn't a left-wing government again, certainly not within my lifetime. We don't live in a democracy anymore.

Starmer needs to remember that next time it will be him under attack.

The internal report that became leaked was originally intended to be confidential in being presented to the Race & Equalities Commission for examination as part of their report. However, when they initially refused to included any party of the report in their investigation, it became leaked.

Many would ask how those in possession of information such as the alleged actions of the employees at Labours Central Office were then to get that knowledge into the public domain if not through leaking it to the press???

Many would ask how those in possession of information such as the alleged actions of the employees at Labours Central Office were then to get that knowledge into the public domain if not through leaking it to the press???

I don't actually have much of a problem with the report being leaked, stuff happens. But they should have redacted the names before doing so.

What I have a problem with, Grandad is your previous chortling over how the payouts were going to destroy the party, notably the PLP, but it was worth it (sounds like bl**dy Brexit, doesn't it. Destroy the UK, but hey, it's worth it) and now your ignoring of the breach of the law.

Grandad1943

Whitewavemark2

The reports are expected to be widely critical of Corbyn and his supporters in failing to get to grip with the AS in the party. Corbyn may well find himself subject to litigation, and he may well need every last penny if that fund.

Starmer is determined to draw a line and if this costs - so be it.

Without dealing with this sore, the LP can’t move on.

No one has any details of what the two forthcoming reports may contain. The report from the Race & Equalities Commission was due to be released more than two months ago and it is not known why the delay has come about.

However, the above Commission did state they would not take into account any matters that were contained within the internal leaked report that deals with the actions of Central Office employees. In that report it is alleged those employees withheld information from both the Labour Leaders office and that of the General Secretaries office that would have enabled those bodies to deal with many allegations of anti-semitism against members. That report also has given rise to the allegations of employed Central Office Staff working against the elected leader of the Labour party to the extent of even attempting to prevent Labour winning the 2018 general election.

It is now being "speculated" that the delay to the Race & Equality
Commission report may be due to that body now having decided to include evidence from the leaked report into their own publication.

Of course, Starmer worshipers on this forum never wish to discuss that it has been the right of the Labour party working, possibly illegally, within the Labour Party Central Office that has brought the organisation to the brink of the financial and political abyss it now faces.

I can’t acknowledge anything until I have evidence.

Who is responsible etc will presumably will come out when this is finally resolved, until then it is better to keep your council rather than wildly speculating as to who did what.

What I do know is that this is one if the worse governments on record and my focus is on ensuring that they are called out for every error, ideological claptrap etc they make.

I see that the Lib Dem’s are making overtures about working with labour.

Good.

As far as a breach of the Data Protection Act and the leaked report is concerned I would imagine that there is a good argument to be made concerning it being in the Public Interest and therefore exempt.The length of time it has taken to publish the report may add to that and increase the belief that it was vital for the public to know what was happening asap.
If Starmer imagines that by paying up he has somehow drawn a line under the anti-semitism row he is sadly deluded. Those who never believed the accusations in the first place and saw it as an attack upon Corbyn's support for Palestine will now be infuriated that party funds have been used to pay off (and therefore in the public's eyes acknowledge ) people they regard as biased.

there is a good argument to be made concerning it being in the Public Interest and therefore exempt

What? Publishing people's names?

As I said, I've no particular problem with the report being leaked, but names?

MaizieD yes if it is considered that those individuals were working against the interests of the organisation that employed them. If the report had been published asap it could have been argued that there was no reason to leak the names but the amount of time it has taken it can be argued that it was in the Public interest because it made sure that the activities ceased. The failure of the LP to agree originally to submit it to the Anti-semitism inquiry and then not to suspend the people involved further strengthen the case. In trying to keep things quiet and friendly Starmer has actually reinforced the case for leaking things.

In regard to the prosecutions and claims that will be the undoubted fallout of the Race & Equalities commission report and the internal leaked report, even the Labour Parties own solicitor team is stating that defending such will be impossible.

In normal circumstances, the trade unions by way of the Broader Labour movement would have willingly come forward with the finances required to fund the deficit created.

However, in these unprecedented times, the surge in unemployment will mean large losses of membership for all the trade unions who affiliate to the Labour Party. In that the funding of the PLP may well be difficult to find by those trade unions and the knowledge that the financial crisis in the Labour party is very much self-inflicted will make any increase in the political levy subscription a difficult sell to their membership activists.

The best way forward many believe in the broader Labour movement would be to once more to bring the Parliamentary Labour Party back within the wider movement as a fully integrated sector of the movement.

The above would mean the closure of the Labour Parties Central Office and the merger of the General Secretaries office to within the TUC Headquarters.

The above would restore the Parliamentary Labour Party to its true roots and make huge savings in cost and bureaucracy.

It has to be faced that the Labour Party has not in reality been fit for purpose for more that fifteen years now and that has to be brought to an end.

Rumour swirling that Starmer considering taking the whip away from Corbyn

So much for uniting the party!!!

Let’s wait and see if the rumours are true. But honestly Starmer would have a very good reason to take the whip away if it proves correct.

Starmer is no Johnson.

I think Jeremy Corbyn would have to say a lot more than he has so far about the decision to leak the internal report before he would lose the Labour Whip.

If there are such rumours it sounds to me as though they'd be coming from his supporters who seem to be paranoid that everyone is out to get him.

If it turns out that the quotations given in the leaked report are highly selective and have been made out of context in order to mislead others about a plot to undermine Jeremy Corbyn his supporters will look very foolish (I am being polite here!) indeed.

I don't understand the suggestion that disclosing the full names of people alleged to have undermined the antisemitism complaints process in the leaked report, which has led to the Labour Party having to make large payouts, can be in the public interest.

If the Labour Party becomes bankrupt as a result of the legal fees that will be incurred, can no longer pay its staff or running costs and has to be wound up how is that in the public interest?

rambling it isn’t about Corbyn rhetoric, it is relating to the reports and Corbyn culpability.

I was happy to contribute to the Go Fund Me for Corbyn. We will have to wait and see the outcome but whatever happens I think he is a decent man who has from the outset been the subject of a determined campaign of innuendo and vilification.

WWMark2 - sorry to appear thick but I am confused.

Please clarify why Keir Starmer would decide to withdraw the Labour Whip from Jeremy Corbyn?

Or did you mean something else?

Ramblingrose22, in regard to your post @19:56 today, the problem with the release of the leaked report will be that its findings will be challenged by both left and right factions in the Labour Party whenever that release may come about.

The above situation has been brought about due to the fact that Kier Starmer did not have the employees cited for misconduct in the documents suspended from their employment as would be the case for all other employees in Britain under current employment regulations.

However, Starmer choose not to take such action, therefore, leaving himself open to charges that the named employees remaining in their posts could tamper or destroy evidence and have access to others involved in the investigation.

The above I feel gives further proof that the Parliamentary Labour Party under its current structures, organisation and factionalization is simply not fit for purpose, and that situation will require radical action by the whole Labour movement in Britain to bring about the wholesale change that is undoubtedly required.

Ramblingrose22

WWMark2 - sorry to appear thick but I am confused.

Please clarify why Keir Starmer would decide to withdraw the Labour Whip from Jeremy Corbyn?

Or did you mean something else?

These are the sort of rumours that are circulating. I’m not any clearer but I guess there is a possibility that things are coming to a head.

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According to a few Labour sources this morning, it's "very possible" and "highly likely" that Jeremy Corbyn will have the whip removed very soon, as a result of some of the recommendations in the EHRC report.

Grandad - what is "the above situation"?

Surely challenges will continue to be made by both sides about the allegations in the leaked report regardless of whether Keir Starmer took action to suspend those allegedly undermining Jeremy Corbyn.

Which of the current employment regulations was flouted when Keir Starmer did not suspend the employees cited in the leaked report?

How many of these remain employees of the Labour Party now and of those, how many are in the same roles as before?

It should be remembered that Kier Starmer was at the very front of Jeremy Corbyn's shadow cabinet team. However, I do not recall Starmer at any time protesting while being a member of that body that the anti-semitic allegations were not being handled correctly.

Some may interpret the above as cowardly if he did believe that the allegations were not being handled correctly, or two-faced if he did feel they were being handled correctly at the time he was in the shadow cabinet team but has changed his tune now in support of the right wing faction in the Party.

Again fationalisation being predominant in the Labour Party making it unfit for purpose in its position as the leading party of opposition in the country.

Time for wholesale change to be brought about by way of the whole wider Labour movement of Great Britain.