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The back lash against confinement seems to be turning into a cause for the right wing and libertarians.
Apparently in Germany this weekend there will be demonstrations against restrictions that have been introduced in order to stem the tide of corona virus. Various groups including anti vaxxers, holocaust deniers, conspiracy theorists and the far right NPD are expected to attend the demo in Berlin.
From my reading of many of the threads on here it does seem as though those opposed to the introduction of new measures tend to be from the right of centre.
in France there has been an increase in the numbers testing positive for covid. In the week to 26 July around 440,000 people were tested and 51% of those showed no symptoms. Of the remainder testing positive 69% were in the age group 15 -44 and of those, the majority were between 20 and 25. That last group, it would seem, are the ones who are most likely to gather at pubs, raves and other open air gatherings.
I fully understand that they want to go out and enjoy themselves whilst for many of us oldies who haven't been directly affected aren't so concerned about joining large gatherings.
However the young don't seem to understand that because they don't get as sick as older people, it's still going to affect those around them. They could unwittingly pass it on to more vulnerable people, including some young people. furthermore we don't yet know all the long term effects of this virus.
On the other hand, eight cars in a driveway, and still there the next day, indicating overnight stays, is most definitely flouting the guidelines. Anne Widdecombe, or anybody else, not wearing a mask in shops, is flouting guidelines, and she could be liable for a fine of £100.
growstuff
So what's the ideology of an anti-masker?
I don't know.
Posters seem to have ignored my post above, yesterday 22:32:55, because, presumably, it doesn't fit in with the ideology.
growstuff
You’re right in that I’ve been taking care of my grandchildren as there is no longer any key worker childcare available. We have seen our family, in our gardens, or one family at a time in the house. As per guidelines. We wear masks in shops or buildings such as the dentist or hospital, also when I went to the hairdresser. We have not been to any large groups such as raves, riots, celebrations of any kind. We have not used any public transport. We have not been to any pubs or restaurants. I don’t think we’ve flouted guidelines at all, nor have broken any laws. The law, as opposed to guidelines, allows for outdoor gatherings of up to thirty people. I have once only been in a group, out of doors, with thirteen people, all members of my own family who we see individually anyway, and socially distanced. I queried the the rules re thirteen people with my son who was having a family barbecue. He is a lawyer, he knows the law. He said that he has carefully researched the law as he cannot afford to break it. He told me that groups of up to thirty people are allowed to meet out of doors. He told me that the guidelines say they should be socially distanced, unless living in the same household. We went to his barbecue. We were outside. The garden is huge. Everyone was socially distancing. The children had a wonderful time running and playing all around the garden. It was not against the law and we stayed within guidelines.
growstuff I only know of one anti-vaxer and they are definitely on the left.
Anne Widdicombe is an ex MP MEP desperate for publicity, not a representative for all right of centre electorate.
There are people on either side who think they are more important than the rest of society.
So what's the ideology of an anti-masker?
Most of the Black Lives Matter protesters would tend to the left, wouldn't they?
They believed their ideology was worth the risk. An anti masker etc believes their ideology is worth the risk.
If it comes down to standing up for what you believe in there's no difference.
As far as masks, it’s the 30s-40s with their children who I see properly wearing their masks
It’s the over 60s who can’t seem to manage it around me. So much whinging every time I end up in a shop
Calendargirl
I don’t think a lot of younger people, and by that I mean anyone 40’ish and under, are too worried about older people dying, unless it’s say their grandparents.
They just see them as ‘old codgers’ who have had their life, and just not bothered really.
I think that’s pretty unfair.
Many in that age group have been working and teaching and doing child care. All from home. To keep the vulnerable safe.
To slag them and what they have lost off like that is precisely why some might think the way you claim.
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It is strange isn’t it, that politics comes into it? Young people believing they are invincible has always been the case, and in actual fact, the young do have less to fear with this disease, whereas we oldies, have more to fear. This, along with learning a bit on our way through life, tends to make us more cautious. But left or right? Well whatever my politics, I believe in following the guidelines as I believe it is to protect me. And I get a bit cross when I see other people clearly flouting the rules. A beach on a sunny day, journalists outside court or people’s houses, raves, not social distancing in pubs or supermarkets, Eid celebrations or any other kind of celebrations, riots and protests, I’m afraid I get annoyed about them all, because their behaviour actually eventually affects mine. What goes around comes around. We won’t get on top of this situation until we all respect the guidance.
As for Anne Widdecombe protesting about wearing a mask. Tough Anne, wear a mask and protect the rest of us. She shouldn’t be so b.......y selfish.
The core idea of all right wing ideology is that the individual is more important than society. Some are more libertarian than others, but they believe that nobody has the right to take away their right to do as they please, including not wearing masks.
Peardrop and GrannyGravy There is a very strong correlation between those who believe in right wing ideology and those who object to wearing masks, dismiss the idea lockdown and other measures are good, try to deny statistics, claim that concentrating on Covid-19 is causing more harm than good, etc etc.
GrannyGravy13
Sorry I just do not understand why this situation is left versus right COVID-19 does not discriminate people due to their political persuasion!
Of course it doesn't but there is a difference in the responses between those to the left of centre and those to the right.
PS the Welsh Government is Labour, so presumably left.
Chief Medical Officer of Wales:
"very little has changed in the science .... which pointed to them having little benefit"
"The evidence for making face masks compulsory is quite weak ..... although there might be a small benefit".
On/off/on/off.
Never cease to be amazed that some posters make a statement and refuse point blank to explain or expand on their view
MaizieD
GrannyGravy13
Sorry I just do not understand why this situation is left versus right COVID-19 does not discriminate people due to their political persuasion!
It's because it is the far right, as exemplified by Ann Widdicombe. who seem to be anti vax, anti mask etc.
Ann Widdecombe is a publicity seeking poor excuse of a woman who does not exemplify the right.
Those of us that lean to the right are just as diverse as the left leaning. Most are concerned about the spread of the virus and most abide by the rules.
The far right defy logic and reason.
GrannyGravy13
Sorry I just do not understand why this situation is left versus right COVID-19 does not discriminate people due to their political persuasion!
It's because it is the far right, as exemplified by Ann Widdicombe. who seem to be anti vax, anti mask etc.
Sorry I just do not understand why this situation is left versus right COVID-19 does not discriminate people due to their political persuasion!
growstuff
I disagree with you too Peardrop.
Actually Growstuff so do I.
I stand by my comment on politics, good and bad , silly and sensible, conforming and rebellious on all sides.
However perhaps the age thing was too general. We do take more risks when we're young and have a greater zest for life. We are more often cautious as we age with a greater appreciation for life itself, but yes, there are the cautious and the carefree, the selfish and the selfless at all ages.
It is also true that the young have to get out there and take some risks, they need education, employment and social interaction. We oldies can be more careful because our pensions are paid in to the bank, most of us have some security, food on the table and a roof over our heads and, dare I say, less energy.
It's not just the young. There's been loads of posts from Grans who have decided not to follow the social distancing advice. A whole thread just a few days ago when they were cheering each other on!
When I questioned them I was told I was nasty.
Every single one of us that has ignored the advice, decided we were a special case, that we couldn't live without a hug from family, friends or neighbours is responsible.
I expect I'll be jumped for saying that. As one poster said she'd rather go to prison than not have hugs from grandchildren.
geekesse
Calendargirl
I don’t think a lot of younger people, and by that I mean anyone 40’ish and under, are too worried about older people dying, unless it’s say their grandparents.
They just see them as ‘old codgers’ who have had their life, and just not bothered really.Oh, I think you are being very unfair. There are some younger people who are irresponsible and selfish, but you could say exactly the same about many older people too - there have been plenty of GN posts about this. The vast majority of people, of all ages, are being responsible and caring of others during this pandemic.
I agree. I've been a bit horrified at what some GNers have admitted they've done.
I disagree with you too Peardrop.
I disagree with you ladymuck. There are certainly some young people who are more cavalier in their attitude.
However, it has also become a right versus left issue.
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