Response to new covid measures - old v young; left v right

Dinahmo, the anti vexers and conspiracy theorists seem to be joining forces and demonstrating here as well.

The same age group as you identify in France, are leading the spike in the UK. As some of that group become very sick, which some will, maybe that will encourage their friends to be more cautious. Some of the covid groups have comments encouraging herd immunity and suggest oldies like us and people with significant health problems are the only people who need to and should isolate.
I agree with you that its the height of selfishness to expect one group to remain locked out of society whilst another group does as it wishes.

I live in Greater Manchester where we have serious lock down again. We also have a large Pakistani/Bangladeshi community. The increase in that community is in those 20 plus who aren't abiding by social distancing (the same as most in their age group). I don't understand why the new restrictions were announced at 9.30pm last night by tweet. Imagine if that happened on Christmas Eve, which is equivalent to Eid which many of our neighbours will be celebrating this weekend. The increase and the imminent arrival of Eid surely can't have been a surprise to Hancock and Johnson. I wish they had introduced this in a more planned way. Local radio was inundated to phone calls from families saying they have 8 cars in the driveway because relatives arrived as planned yesterday evening. What are they supposed to do this morning?

I think many young people have gone back to pre-covid activities - parties, meeting up with lots of friends, going to the beach and parks.

My 15 year old GD said when asked about social distancing "we don't bother with that any more"

It is difficult for them as they are at that age when socialising is very important and they don't understand that they can pass the virus to someone who could be badly affected.

The advice and guidance has been confusing too so they can't take all the blame for rising number of cases.

It is not just in Germany that there are far-right covid refusniks. We have them here too.

‘Mask dissenter’ Ann Widdecombe wants to shop ‘unmuzzled’

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/mask-dissenter-ann-widdecombe-wants-to-shop-unmuzzled/27/07/

It's hard to believe, after all the TV footage of intensive care units, that anyone can disregard the virus. We are in our 70s and are quite frightened. However our grandchildren are not worried in the slightest. This of course is the problem as there are 2 distinct groups of people.

Can you believe this woman ?

“”Widdecombe said: “I suspect that mask-haters will, as will I, avoid the shops as much as possible.

“Perhaps,” she continued, “shops should allow certain hours when the mask dissenters can shop unmuzzled in the same way as they have allocated special times to the elderly.”

varian

It is not just in Germany that there are far-right covid refusniks. We have them here too.

‘Mask dissenter’ Ann Widdecombe wants to shop ‘unmuzzled’

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/mask-dissenter-ann-widdecombe-wants-to-shop-unmuzzled/27/07/

I have divided views on this
Ann Widdecombe is welcome to catch the virus any time she likes, but on the other hand, I wish she had been muzzled years ago.

varian

It is not just in Germany that there are far-right covid refusniks. We have them here too.

‘Mask dissenter’ Ann Widdecombe wants to shop ‘unmuzzled’

www.thelondoneconomic.com/politics/mask-dissenter-ann-widdecombe-wants-to-shop-unmuzzled/27/07/

I've noticed the word "muzzle" used in a number of media sources. Using that kind of language encourages people to think they're being restricted by force.

MawB

I can actually understand the thinking of young people. Like most of us, they're selfish. Life for most of them does mean socialising. Strictly speaking, they can't even see a partner living in a different household.

The ones I don't understand are the so-called libertarians, but I guess it's part of their philosophy of not caring about anybody else except themselves. I find it ironic when I've seen pictures of demos in the US, where some people are holding up anti-abortion placards. I don't understand the logic of caring more about an unborn foetus than a vulnerable person who could die from Covid-19.

Anne Widdecombe should always be muzzled.

It appears to me it's an age demographic thing, I know I have one son who is extremely cavalier and appeared to think a week or so ago we are out of the woods. He turns up every few days and sits in the garden having arguments, not heated ones, to that effect, although there isn't a great clarity in the guidance, but one has to keep oneself up dated because the situation can change daily. My other son, keeps himself better informed is much more considered in his outlook and both he and his girlfriend would observe the distancing measures when out and and about that both sets of parents are sticking to. We've seen our younger grandchildren and had them both in the house and garden. My husband's older grown up grandchildren, again we've seen less of because they've also been out all over the place in the cut and thrust of protest marches and the like.

Having said that, I think this is easier for us of the retired generation, in many ways it must be hellish for younger people, worried about work in particular and of course all this is unprecedented, I'm sure I'd have been climbing the wall back in my younger years. Aside from all the obvious worries about work and money casting my mind back there's a palpable impatience that often goes with youth to get out there and experience it all, socialising, holidays, it kind of goes with the territory, I guess stoicism kicks in the later years. We've all had time to ponder and I realise so many things I once embraced, so called retail therapy, mean very little to me anymore, I'd rather look at trees

I remember on one of our first walks during early lockdown, the days of 1 hour exercise only and strict social distancing, seeing a group of boys in our park with balls and bikes and no concept of social distancing. I said to my husband, how hellish it must be for their parents, would ours of taken any notice whatsoever, they'd have just seen it as a great opportunity not to be at school and to be out with a group of friends on skateboards, roller blades, football whatever, I don't envy the parents of that age group.

I think that locking down areas with an increased infection rate is correct, whatever time it is announced is going to be the wrong time for some.

As for masks, if shoppers wear them so should those who work in shops, anything that helps to stop the spread of COVID-19.

It is not natural to be confined in the UK, the teenage - under 30’s are struggling. For us that are retired in my opinion it has been relatively easy.

I do worry about the increase in mental health problems in those people who are not /have not coped during lockdown.

What young people don't seem to be taking on board is that this disease can have very unpleasant long term after effects at whatever age it is caught. It's not just being 'a bit ill' for a few days. It could well be life altering...

Why this message isn't coming out very strongly from the government with a proper public health campaign I do not know.

growstuff-I don't understand the 'logic' of thinking an unborn fetus is not a real person. They certainly are the more vulnerable as a quarter of a million are aborted each year in the UK. Next time you know someone who is upset because she has had a miscarriage, try saying to her, 'Get over it, it was only a fetus, not the much wanted child you wanted!!!

I'm with AW- anti-vaxer, conspiracy theorist, right wing etc.

The 6 o'clock news has just featured the inevitably packed Brighton and Bournemouth beaches, given it's scorching here in the south today, all the bars are open and doing a roaring trade. I know Bournemouth beach well . Lots of young people being interviewed, many laughingly described how they were packed like sardines on the trains coming down. One older woman did reflect that many may be rendering themselves vulnerable and will then be returning home to older members of their family. This I seem to remember is what I read about when initially Italy was the worst hit country and the young people came back to inter generational households unwittingly passing the virus on to parents and grandparents.

I don’t think a lot of younger people, and by that I mean anyone 40’ish and under, are too worried about older people dying, unless it’s say their grandparents.

They just see them as ‘old codgers’ who have had their life, and just not bothered really.

I don't think politics come into this. Two weeks ago, restrictions were eased and many people seemed to think the danger had passed. They stopped being cautious and were gathering in large groups, with no social distancing. We are now seeing the result....an increase in cases of the virus. They are responsible for the new measures being brought in. If people can't be sensible, then they have to be dictated to.

It's got nothing to do with being right wing or libertarians. We all are at risk because of the selfishness of a minority.

Here in the North, many of the new cases are among the Asian population, which tend to live in large family groups, helping the spread of the disease. Hence the rules about households not mixing.

We are so grateful that we have been able to see some of our grandchildren, but they are also very strict about social distancing, They are currently camping in our garden, which seems ridiculous as we have a large family house with many bedrooms including one which has always been there for them but they will not step inside the house.

I am so grateful that my children and grandchildren will keep their distance to protect us.

Calendargirl

I don’t think a lot of younger people, and by that I mean anyone 40’ish and under, are too worried about older people dying, unless it’s say their grandparents.

They just see them as ‘old codgers’ who have had their life, and just not bothered really.

Oh, I think you are being very unfair. There are some younger people who are irresponsible and selfish, but you could say exactly the same about many older people too - there have been plenty of GN posts about this. The vast majority of people, of all ages, are being responsible and caring of others during this pandemic.

quizqueen

growstuff-I don't understand the 'logic' of thinking an unborn fetus is not a real person. They certainly are the more vulnerable as a quarter of a million are aborted each year in the UK. Next time you know someone who is upset because she has had a miscarriage, try saying to her, 'Get over it, it was only a fetus, not the much wanted child you wanted!!!

I'm with AW- anti-vaxer, conspiracy theorist, right wing etc.

Care to expand On why you are with AW Quizqueen ??

Or not.like with Tommy Robinson.

Any point asking what you mean by anti vaccine ??

geekesse

I didn’t mean that they are not following the guidance re social distancing etc. I just think that to many ‘younger’ people, old people are just that, old, and dying is what happens when you’re old.

Thinking back to when I was 20, I could never imagine being 50 or 60, and to me that seemed very old.

There is a theory that any vaccine will spread the disease and in the States, those that are opposed to vaccines believe they are a breach of their civil liberties - first amendment rights etc.

I don't understand quizqueen's statement at all. One wouldn't even tell someone who's had an abortion to get over it.

Calendargirl, I know and work with a lot of young people and none of those I work with are as callous as you suggest. They have been being good neighbours to older folk during lockdown in very practical ways. Perhaps you don’t mix with many younger people on a regular basis?

Why have houses got eight cars in the drive because it’s Eid? No more than two households are supposed to meet indoors, or six people from different households out of doors. So no following of the guidelines there then.