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Is corruption and incompetence the new normal?

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 04-Aug-20 12:43:56

Today I read that Fox has had his private email hacked by the Russians.

Extraorindarily stupid enough to carry classified documents in it.

He has already been sacked to inappropriate behaviour as foreign secretary with his friend.

Every single day there is another story of incompetence, lies , corruption that it is almost too much to keep up with.

What on earth has happened that as a country we seem to be tolerating this dreadful behaviour by HM Government.

Take us back 20 years and we would be appalled by any single one of these events.

No wonder there is a thread that suggests we should stop watching the news.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 07-Aug-20 20:50:48

It is a conundrum isn’t it?

Say for example you become aware of someone committing fraud or fiddling their taxes or receiving stollen goods.

All tiny compared to what we see going on.

Perhaps we should all shrug and let them get on with it.

MaizieD Fri 07-Aug-20 20:31:19

Here's a UK citizen who's decided to change his approach to life. If you can't beat them, join them ... Expressed in a series of tweets...

There comes a time when corruption is so rife there is no point not being bent yourself. You don’t want to pay CGT on your buy to let properties? Transfer title into one or more offshore companies. Everybody is doing it after all, even Tory MPs & their cronies. And since it ..

Level 2:
.. turns out the peasants do not revolt when you beggar them further but, on the contrary, read right wing rags & vote Tory, satisfied with a diet of nationalism, why bother improving their lives? There are vast sums to be made even from the poor, in gambling, money lending ..

Level 3:
.. & alcohol. And selling off state assets acquired & built up over decades is another huge opportunity. Ask any Russian oligarch. Speaking of whom, who are your friends going to be? Your indigent countrymen or the obscenely rich? It’s a no-brainer. You don’t get ..

Level 4:
.. into the royal enclosure at Ascot by volunteering at the local food bank. You can put your rich buddies in the House of Lords with barely a squeak of protest. Quite how you neuter institutions which exist to maintain standards in public & commercial life I’m not sure, but ..
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Level 5:
.. we seem to have managed it. Maybe it’s the revolving door or lack of resources or even the prospect of honours (or all three). You can bungle an anti-terror operation so badly that you kill an innocent man, amid the whoops & cheering of a chaotic control room, ..

Level 6:

.. & still become a dame. The IOPC can spend the best part of a year conducting a ‘scoping’ exercise before washing its hands of a clear case of corruption & cronyism. The Serious Fraud Office has never won a case (I exaggerate, but only a bit) so why worry? And at the ..

Level 7:
.. top, a liar who has so subverted public life that his lies tumble one upon an another at such a rate no one can keep up. He has performed the valuable public service of exposing to all but the most myopic the intellectual corruption & cowardice of the BBC, which ..

•Level 8:
.. facilitated his election & refuses to hold him to account for 70,000 deaths, with tens of thousands to follow. So why bother? Let’s all inhale the miasma of greed & craziness as the insiders shovel their tax free loot offshore. If you can’t beat them, join them.

twitter.com/CliveWismayer/status/1291646676483145728

westendgirl Fri 07-Aug-20 12:46:21

The Government should be challenged over every penny .Thank goodness for those doing it.

Grany Fri 07-Aug-20 12:25:12

The @GoodLawProject has been challenging Government's £15bn supermarket sweep approach to PPE procurement though the courts. We have issued judicial review proceedings into three particularly odd looking deals involving a pest controller, a wholesale confectioner and Ayanda. /7

Jo Maugham QC twitter Thread on Tread Reader

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1291244082145177600.html

Suppose this is already known

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1291244082145177600.html

Dinahmo Fri 07-Aug-20 12:08:20

I think (hope) that this will all unravel eventually but it will be too late. The corrupt will have made their pile and disappeared into the sunset. And the government doesn't care. With its large majority they know that they can get away with the corruption and are just laughing at us, especially those of us who are complaining.

I hope that Led By Donkeys will be around at the next election, with plenty of money so that they can put posters, etc etc up in every constituency where the sitting MPs have lied and benefited in some way or other from present events.

Jayt Fri 07-Aug-20 10:25:41

The Queen is not at Balmoral because of COVID-19. She is always on holiday at Balmoral At this time of year.

Whitewavemark2 Fri 07-Aug-20 10:21:16

Pestfix, a pest control company situated in Littlehampton run by England brothers, whose assets amounted to only £18k, took £100m of taxpayer’s funds, now using taxpayer’s money to pay lawyers to try and prevent the taxpayer from finding out where their funds actually went?

Corruption by the company

Incompetence by the government

varian Thu 06-Aug-20 19:23:19

The Vote Leave government doesn't give a toss for these "little people" as long as they do as they are told - vote for brexit, vote conservative, never bother to think what damage that will do.

Thank you "little people" you got Johnson and Cummings into a position where they can do what they damn well want. They don't give a toss about you as long as you keep reading the Daily Express/Mail/ Sun and take instructions.

varian Thu 06-Aug-20 19:10:54

Dido whatnot may be getting taxpayers' money in spite of being totally ignorant about public health, but what about the "little people" who are not in that favoured group, who are perhaps struggling, and yet still buy the Daily Express (or Mail or Sun) and allow these right-wing rags to tell them what to think and how to vote?

vegansrock Thu 06-Aug-20 05:56:58

I think it’s a case of “Emperor’s new clothes“ here, the people that support Johnson, Cummings and all his cronies who are getting taxpayers handouts like Dido whatnot, are loathe to believe that their hero is a lazy charlatan who is undermining democracy, so they’ll chant whatever the latest infantile three word slogan is, and close their eyes to the reality of the corruption.

varian Wed 05-Aug-20 21:04:23

"They are all the same" is a quote from the right wing gutter press when their heroes have been exposed as villains and they are forced to try to defend the indefensible.

MaizieD Wed 05-Aug-20 20:56:10

'Same circus , different clowns'

'All politicians lie'

'They're only in it for what they can make out of it'

These trite little 'sayings', and many similar ones, that imply that there is absolutely no difference between politicians of any colour and that they're all on the make, so not worth bothering with, are so lazy, ignorant and unthinking that they should be banned in discussion of politics.

biba70 Wed 05-Aug-20 20:42:25

No, not same circus, and very very different clowns.

Anyone who compares Keir Starmer to Boris Johnson really has not got a clue.

Spangler Wed 05-Aug-20 19:46:07

quizqueen

I don't think there is much to chose between all the political parties for incompetence and dishonesty, in my opinion.

A case of: Same circus, different clowns.
In 1517, Martin Luther a Catholic monk, attacked the Church's corrupt practice of 'selling' indulgences to absolve sin. Like you can buy your way into heaven.
We know what the outcome of that was.

varian Wed 05-Aug-20 19:37:35

Coronavirus: North launches own track and trace after failures in national scheme

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/coronavirus-north-launches-own-track-and-trace-after-failures-in-national-scheme-lxf8xdtpr

Dinahmo Wed 05-Aug-20 19:07:48

biba70 Thanks for the link to JOB. He's hit the nail on the head as usual.

Dinahmo Wed 05-Aug-20 18:48:00

On the news today, some people still "working" on track and trace but with nothing to do. Some people on the receiving end of the inquiries say that they have been contacted more than once. One in fact around 20 times.

varian Wed 05-Aug-20 18:23:24

Thank you to those who have signed and contacted their local council.

Us old folk, locked down or shielded, can do very little to help our country but this is something we can do.

I often think how fortunate we are to have the internet. We can all remember a world without it and just think how much worse this pandemic would have affected us, say thirty years ago!

westendgirl Wed 05-Aug-20 18:02:33

Signed Varian, let's hope lots of Gn's do this.

Grany Wed 05-Aug-20 18:02:04

And tell you local Council leader that we want safe locally lead test and trace too

weownit.org.uk/tell-your-council-leader-you-want-safe-locally-led-test-and-trace

Luckygirl Wed 05-Aug-20 17:58:41

I am losing the will to live. sad

Grany Wed 05-Aug-20 17:51:49

Signed varian

biba70 Wed 05-Aug-20 16:24:03

IDS is now complaining that the Deal he advised all to approve and get behind- deriding those who said more time was required to examine the small print and implications - is now saying the Deal is unfair and favours the EU and should be put back on the table. Incompetence farce and hypocrisy.

www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/james-obrien/two-contradictory-statements-iain-duncan-smith/?fbclid=IwAR3V1WtK8MoWclfGyztpbQw22_r1cypoNz3uf02shZ2Ol0Kyes16qGe-hRw

varian Wed 05-Aug-20 16:13:26

"The government SAYS they're not privatising our NHS that we all love but Matt Hancock handed track and trace in England to private companies like shady Serco for big money. Their failures put us all at risk of coronavirus, as yesterday's headlines show the system is not enough to stop a second spike. We've been working behind the scenes to find out what's going on. Now we know that the contracts with private companies Serco and Sitel END on August 23rd. This is HUGE!

If you have an English address, we need to call on your council leader today to appeal to Matt Hancock: give experienced public health teams funding for track and trace instead of outsourcing companies. Email your council leader to get safe track and trace now

Matt Hancock has allocated £10 BILLION to test and trace but local authorities have only been given £300 million of this. It's a joke that strapped local authorities aren't getting help when THEY'RE the ones doing contact tracing best, while private companies are potentially getting billions to fail again and again. They should get this money to grow their vital work IMMEDIATELY. You can help to get a safe track and trace system in England, one that could allow us to keep coming out of lockdown for good, and avoid a “long and bleak winter”.

We haven't got long to make sure that Hancock ends the contracts and gives money to local teams instead. Council leaders and the Labour Party have joined the call, so now it's time to ramp up the pressure.

If you live in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, you probably know that public health teams are leading the response, and this is a far better way of running contact tracing, however we still hugely appreciate your solidarity - you can take action right here.

In England, Public health teams in Sandwell and Blackburn with Darwen are so concerned about the national privatised track and trace that they have set up their own in house contact tracing systems. One Director of Public Health said "we're having to deploy resources that we don't really have...to try and do it ourselves. And essentially, the taxpayer's paying twice". It's ludicrous. The next few weeks are crucial to changing the coming months. "

weownit.org.uk/act-now/matt-hancock-needs-listen-communities-and-let-local-teams-lead-contact-tracing

Dinahmo Wed 05-Aug-20 10:53:14

Whitewavemark2

Although I think Johnson is preparing to use the army. I’m not sure how the ordinary soldier will feel about that.

I suspect that they'll do as they are told. Just look at America and the use of the federal forces. I doubt many of those men will have thought about about their orders.