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Trump has finally lost it.....

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Luckygirl Tue 04-Aug-20 22:40:47

.......anyone see his interview on the news? His insanity must now be obvious to all - surely no-one will vote for him? Just not possible............

growstuff Mon 17-Aug-20 09:41:31

Good summary and analysis Elegran.

It's interesting that some of those ideas haven't disappeared, even in the UK. We're in the middle of a number of culture wars and how to deal with the poor is one of them.

Elegran Mon 17-Aug-20 11:06:07

The concept of "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" is in theory a wonderfully fair social philosophy, and is what was drew many people to the original Communist ideal.

The problem, as always, is human nature and the perception and measurement of ability and need, on both the legislation/providing and the receiving ends.

varian Mon 17-Aug-20 11:37:45

Speaker Nancy Pelosi said on Sunday that she is calling the House back into session this week to vote on a bill prohibiting the US Postal Service from implementing any changes to operations or level of service. The action comes amid growing concerns that the White House is trying to undermine the agency during the coronavirus pandemic while states expand mail-in voting options.

In a letter to Democratic lawmakers on Sunday evening, Ms Pelosi also called on her colleagues to appear at a post office in their district on Tuesday for a coordinated news event. “In a time of a pandemic, the Postal Service is Election Central. Americans should not have to choose between their health and their vote,” she wrote.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/usps-postal-service-bill-vote-house-nancy-pelosi-donald-trump-mail-in-a9673436.html

POGS Mon 17-Aug-20 12:13:01

What do posters think re the ongoing John Durham Investigation and the release of UN redacted papers from the Obama/Biden/Comey period in the Whitehouse?

I have been following American politics with more interest of late the politics such as Black Lives Matter/ANTIFA and official interviews such as the Senate Judiciary Committe with the likes of Rod Rosenstein (ex Deputy Attorney General) and his stating he would not have signed the FISA Application in hindsight. He is not alone.

The General Micheal Flynn case is another one I am following with interest too.

varian Wed 19-Aug-20 12:10:57

Trump has lost many prominent Republicans. Former Secretary of State Colen Powell has endorsed Joe Biden.

www.cnn.com/2020/08/18/politics/colin-powell-biden-convention/index.html

varian Thu 20-Aug-20 10:44:37

Cindy McCain, wife of the late Sen. John McCain and a longtime Republican, lent her voice to the Democratic National Convention on Tuesday, outlining the “unlikely friendship” her husband had with the newly minted Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

www.politico.com/news/2020/08/18/cindy-mccain-joe-biden-dnc-398162

varian Thu 20-Aug-20 10:48:37

Amongst the prominent Republicans that will not support Trump is former President George W Bush

www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/08/19/all-the-republicans-who-have-endorsed-joe-biden-for-president/#f02d8596aa53

varian Thu 20-Aug-20 13:55:46

A vote Biden election video by Republican military veterans!

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-election/republican-veterans-trump-advert-russia-vietnam-a9658371.html

Whitewavemark2 Thu 20-Aug-20 15:15:51

I see that Bannon has been arrested for fraud relating to a fundraising scheme.

Well it is a start I suppose.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 20-Aug-20 15:23:59

I expected a lot of the leavers are a bit edgy.

Steve Bannon has been "charged with one count of conspiracy to commit wire fraud and one count of conspiracy to commit money laundering." justice.gov/usao-sdny/pr/leaders-

netflixfan Thu 20-Aug-20 15:39:05

which interview please?

varian Thu 20-Aug-20 16:33:22

Steve Bannon indicted by federal prosecutors, charged with defrauding ‘We Build the Wall’ donors

www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2020/aug/20/joe-biden-covid-19-coronavirus-donald-trump-kamala-harris-barack-obama-dnc-democratic-national-convention-us-politics-live

varian Thu 20-Aug-20 16:36:14

Trump loses bid to block tax returns release after judge's ruling. The documents being sought cover the timespan the US president is alleged to have paid off women to keep quiet about affairs.

news.sky.com/story/donald-trumps-bid-to-avoid-publishing-tax-returns-dismissed-by-judge-12053232

His tax affairs should have been made public in 2016, but he has been hiding them ever since.

rosecarmel Sat 22-Aug-20 02:27:38

Here's a good breakdown of the Bannon/Wall/Boat debacle:

slate.com/news-and-politics/2020/08/steve-bannon-arrest-trump-boat-parades-explained.html

rosecarmel Sat 22-Aug-20 02:30:29

Allan Lichtman predicted Trump will lose:

www.cbsnews.com/news/allan-lichtman-presidential-election-accurate-prediction-trump-biden/#app

Professor who accurately predicted every election since 1984 says Biden will beat Trump

rosecarmel Sat 22-Aug-20 02:58:13

Currently, most Democrats I know will vote Biden holding their nose- The rest are undecided: Won't vote or will write in their choice-

But as we draw closer I think most will vote Biden, because they couldn't stomach 4 more years of Trump-

The other night during the campaign, there were repeated mentions of increasing the minimum wage for "full time" workers- I found that rather disturbing since a large percentage of people hold down several "part time" jobs to survive because "full time" positions are scarce-

Just prior to the financial crisis, employers began the practice of hiring part time opposed to full so that they didn't have offer healthcare- And it's remained that way ever since-

rosecarmel Sat 22-Aug-20 05:59:37

Biden Leads Trump by 8%, but 7% of Americans Say They Won't Vote for Either

www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/biden-leads-trump-by-8-but-7-of-americans-say-they-won-t-vote-for-either/ar-BB18fqPH?ocid=AMZN

Ladyleftfieldlover Sat 22-Aug-20 06:58:54

There were so many times in 2016 when it was unbelievable that trump wasn’t removed from the candidacy. Imitating a disabled reporter; being cruel to an Asian gold star family; talking about grabbing women by the pussy; and then after he was elected the constant lying. I know the USA isn’t my country, but ISTM that what happens there affects the rest of the world. trump isn’t interested in climate change or continuing anything which Obama created or set up. trump is obviously unwell and at the same time treats the Presidency as an almighty reality show. Also, has any other FLOTUS been quite as inept as Melania? I am sorry, but this man’s actions over the past four years have haunted me. Sadly, it is possible he could win another term. He has said he would not necessarily accept the result if he loses in November. I know there are checks and balances in place if he refuses to leave the WH in January 2021, but just think of the mayhem he could cause in the meantime. A final thought - what on Earth could he say in his final letter to his successor?

POGS Sat 22-Aug-20 09:29:42

rksecarmel

Do you think the destruction, violence, looting, raised racial tension, the defunding of police, break down in law and order etc. in cities such as Seattle, Portland, New York, all Democrat run cities, will have no part to play in voter decisions.?

varian Sat 22-Aug-20 14:08:32

More than 70 former GOP national security officials and Congressmen endorse Biden

edition.cnn.com/2020/08/21/politics/gop-national-security-officials-endorse-biden/index.html

Listen to what this WWII veteran, a lifelong Republican has to say about Trump and Biden

varian Sat 22-Aug-20 14:12:00

Conservatives who have repudiated the president are an essential part of the coalition that could elect Biden—and reshape American politics for years to come.

www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/revenge-never-trumpers/614656/

Let's hope this time they suceed

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Aug-20 14:31:18

Biden’s speech was received very well.

In fact it went much much better than democrats expected.

Even Fox admitted it was a good speech.

What I like to see is the united front the democrats are presenting to the USA. Even some republicans have said that couldn’t stomach another Trump term.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 22-Aug-20 14:49:00

Excellent and long article by John Sopel on why Tulsa might be the start of the end for Trump.

t.co/BMBPwbtYsX?amp=1

rosecarmel Sat 22-Aug-20 16:52:00

I think the global tipping point was Arab Spring, its beginning of the end of the world as we knew it having begun in Tunisia-

Tulsa could have definitely ushered in the beginning of the end of Trump-

It's important to understand that most articles don't represent the disenfranchised Americans in Appalachia and other regions of the U.S. that have long suffered, ignored by former administrations-

It's these people that will determine the true worth of Biden's presidency should he win- Not the cities along both coasts-

I can ask people to please not judge how well Biden is received based on articles but instead actually speak to Americans -- the majority of which aren't represented in the media-

We know that Democrats aren't "excited" about Biden- We know our fellow Republicans that are stepping across the aisle to vote Democrat aren't "excited" about Biden either-But despite what we think collectively of Biden, we are collectively excited about voting Trump out of Washington-

varian Sat 22-Aug-20 17:49:43

I don't think after the last four years, that Americans, or anyone else, should be looking for excitement in a leader.

Perhaps it is now the time to look for decency and effective government, not the chaos of populism.