Political Correctness or just ridiculous

callistermon I'm afraid that's just your opinion, not facts

Facts are:

Someone was offended

M&S dealt with it

That's not a hoo-ha, it's good customer relations

Ha!!
Why won't they respond to me, then?

Not so good customer relations.

vegansrock

But if M and S had given it any thought they might realise tobacco is not a great product to associate a brand with.

No, it's not.
Like calling a perfume Opium

Ah well, I cannot comment on that, ive tried their bra fitting and bra's, first woman left me very uncomfortable, second was a star. Everything in life depends on who quite often and some just don't care

FarNorth re your post yesterday @ 14.00 I don't find the trivialization of racism trivial.

Pantglas2

I recently purchased two white cotton rich bras from Marks.....given the hoo-ha, should I be on the ducking stool?

Yes, you certainly should!
White/rich/cotton all in the same sentence.Shame on you.?

I just wish they stocked the ones which I've been buying for years!

There are lots of complaints but there's probably no demand for them

Ha ha Lemongrove! Joking aside, it brought the following to mind

‘First they came for.....’.(choose any group)

I think the point is that tobacco has negative connotations. Probably ‘black bra’ would be fine, as simply descriptive.
I think anything with a negative association eg giving a black mark, or putting someone in your black book is potentially offensive. But in my opinion blackboard & black coffee are ok. After all we have whiteboards these days, and white coffee.

pollyperkins exactly.

People just don't get it and I feel like they are not getting it on purpose.

For example, naming a sports team Redskins (racial slur) is racist. Naming a helicopter an Apache (a tribe) is not.

People are so worried about "cancel culture" but they just don't get that some culture was a bit racist and actually we don't have to lose anything, just stop being racist about it.

Its also a huge insult to people that they might think words like cotton or black or some of the examples in deleted comments on this thread is wrong. It's very ignorant to suggest they would. It's also belittling a serious issue.

Anyway I'm unfollowing this thread now as I find it deeply upsetting.

No Starblaze- you don’t get to choose what is racist and what isn’t and then swan off in high dudgeon!

Why is some one stating that tobacco wasn’t picked by free people ok and then my comment, that neither was cotton, is not ok. If tobacco (colour/substance) has racial connotations, then so does cotton!

Why is some one stating that tobacco wasn’t picked by free people ok and then my comment, that neither was cotton, is not ok. If tobacco (colour/substance) has racial connotations, then so does cotton!
Quite so, Pantglas. And rice. And sugar.
Starblaze ‘Cancel culture’ isn’t about racism and eliminating any cultural references to slavery.
It’s about the vindictive victimisation of an individual for daring to express an opinion which falls foul of some strands of popular thought, and about the stifling of debate and free thought and speech.
Like what happened to JK Rowling recently.

The world seems full of unexpected opportunities to be offended and those who spend a good deal of time looking for them Jane10.

It’s about the vindictive victimisation of an individual for daring to express an opinion which falls foul of some strands of popular thought, and about the stifling of debate and free thought and speech.
Like what happened to JK Rowling recently.

Excellent post janeainsworth; we're on a very slippery slope and the curtailment of open and free discussion is caused precisely by those who shout loudest about injustices and see "reasons to be offended" at every turn.

I hope that no poster on this thread finds your name upsetting Chewbacca???

Post references deleted post. Talk Guidelines.

When I was at school the correct colour for our uniform shoes was ox blood . I’ve always thought that was a weird choice for a name for the colour of leather. So now I would like a brown bra.

But with lace. It has never occurred to me to look for a bra to match my skin colour. Is this a thing these days?

Elegran

The deletion of your thread sums a lot up about the ability for debate being seen through a prism of cancel culture which this hooha cannot escape from as part of the issue.

I'm sorry that someone has obviously reported your post Elegran, hence it's deletion. You raised a perfectly valid and justifiable comparison but it was obviously too much for some to comprehend. As janeainsworth said earlier the stifling of debate and free thought and speech is an increasing problem, especially when trying to communicate with those who can't see any one else's points of view except their own and therefore they want to close it down. The shame is on them, not on you.

Ah, another GNer who has to have lace on her bra ?welcome to the club Stans
I do buy the ‘nude’ colour now and then, to wear under white or very pale shades, so as not to show through.My DD says this is very old fashioned and I should just wear a red or purple bra or whatever ( I just nod sagely when she comes out with such wisdom.)

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Well said, Elegran.

People are still enslaved today and we should be trying to right these wrongs.
We can't undo what has been done in the past, only try to ensure it is not repeated.

Good post too janeainsworth.

Should we change the name of the colour Hooker's green in case it offends someone?

How else to describe the colour tobacco? Sienna?

A lot of firms are going to have to think again, then, as it's a very widely used and recognised description of a warm orangey brown colour.

God posts POGS and Chewbacca.

?Good!