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Where's the P.M.? Shouldn't he be in view, not hiding away ?

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westendgirl Thu 20-Aug-20 12:13:28

Look at the disruptions of recent days;
Exam results and fudged response from Education secretary , passing the buck,stretching the truth about when he really knew about the algorithm,

increase in covid figures
;
Migrants in small boats and Patel's response,

News of contract to work on Ofqual awarded to long term associates of Gove and Cummings without tender.

Not removing whip from MP accused of rape.

So it goes on .Surely a P.M worth his salt should give the nation the impression he is in charge.As usual Johnson is nowhere to be seen.

lemongrove Sun 23-Aug-20 09:33:08

Cornwall will welcome him with open arms next year Ellianne if he sticks to his commitment on the fisheries policy and doesn’t allow EU to have their way.Otherwise he would be pursued with pitchforks.
A crab sarnie for me too please, with a chilled Chilean white wine.?

Ellianne Sun 23-Aug-20 09:37:57

I'm sure Boris will win that one lemongrove.
He might need to practise singing sea shanties if he comes west though!

JenniferEccles Sun 23-Aug-20 10:00:18

I did wonder why Boris hadn’t chosen to holiday here in the south where the weather is so much better.

Maybe a lovely secluded cottage in, say, south Devon would have been a good bet.

I can’t imagine for one minute that they spent even one night in that small flimsy looking tent!

I wouldn’t mind betting there will be pictures of him on a sun-drenched beach on a Caribbean island at some point over Christmas and New Year!!

Firecracker123 Sun 23-Aug-20 10:05:55

Actually the Scottish farmer did say he supported Scottish Independence and he's managed to get his 5 minutes of fame probably got paid as well, job well done it seems.

Elegran Sun 23-Aug-20 10:15:41

I would imagine he went as far away from London as he could, to get away from it all with his girl-friend and baby for a while. A cottage in Applecross overlooking the sea must have seemed like heaven. Then someone probably insisted that he took security men with him - most likely city men with no camping experience (that tent didn't look very well put up)

It is a pity that no-one worked out before the cottage was booked that a tiny remote cottage is not as handy for accommodating a couple of hulking great security men as a hotel room across the corridor. The tent seems an afterthought when no other rentals could be found within miles. I bet they spent one hell of a night in it, tormented by midges, the sea thundering on to rocks, no mod cons. I look forward to reading their autobiographies in due course. Unless, of course, they have signed non-disclosure affidavits.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 23-Aug-20 10:22:25

Elegran

I would imagine he went as far away from London as he could, to get away from it all with his girl-friend and baby for a while. A cottage in Applecross overlooking the sea must have seemed like heaven. Then someone probably insisted that he took security men with him - most likely city men with no camping experience (that tent didn't look very well put up)

It is a pity that no-one worked out before the cottage was booked that a tiny remote cottage is not as handy for accommodating a couple of hulking great security men as a hotel room across the corridor. The tent seems an afterthought when no other rentals could be found within miles. I bet they spent one hell of a night in it, tormented by midges, the sea thundering on to rocks, no mod cons. I look forward to reading their autobiographies in due course. Unless, of course, they have signed non-disclosure affidavits.

The decision to try to accommodate all the security as well as the PM and hangers on is on a par with the decisions made by this government.

Totally incompetent.

Firecracker123 Sun 23-Aug-20 10:31:30

The so called tent opening was facing the sea not the cottage. How ridiculous for some on here to think the security team actually used it lol ?. The cottage was secure and isolated but because someone leaked the PM was staying there he had to leave.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 23-Aug-20 10:39:38

Firecracker123

The so called tent opening was facing the sea not the cottage. How ridiculous for some on here to think the security team actually used it lol ?. The cottage was secure and isolated but because someone leaked the PM was staying there he had to leave.

That is the first time I can remember when a PM has “had” to leave his chosen holiday destination because the press discovered it.

Bit wimpy really.

Cameron stayed, May stayed, Blair stayed, everyone really.

Bit pathetic.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 23-Aug-20 11:01:54

Has Wilfred got smaller?

FarNorth Sun 23-Aug-20 11:15:41

lemongrove says
I should think they only went to Scotland as a nod to solidarity with it, and will choose Cornwall next time

I expect you're right.
Just a short, meaningless gesture with no proper thought behind the practicalities of doing it.

Alegrias Sun 23-Aug-20 11:30:16

Firecracker123

13:56varian

Furious farmer reveals Boris Johnson 'climbed over his fence to set up 8ft tent WITHOUT permission and lit a dangerous campfire before fleeing Highlands holiday cottage'... leaving his MINDERS to clean up

The farmer was probably an SNP plonker with an agenda smile

Not sure if this is sarcasm, its difficult to tell online. smile But just wanted to point out that in Scotland its not just SNP plonkers with agendas that think Boris is a waste of space.

That said, if he had to cut short his holiday because of the press I think that's a real pity, even though I do think he's a waste of space.

lemongrove Sun 23-Aug-20 11:34:31

The practicalities ( midges) or no shop for about 30 miles?
I expect there was a lot of thought behind it, but taking a holiday in Scotland as a political point no doubt took precedence.
Cornwall or Mustique next year and to hell with politics ( I bet he and Carrie think)?

lemongrove Sun 23-Aug-20 11:35:59

Why do you think the baby looks smaller ww?
Two photos taken at different times.

lemongrove Sun 23-Aug-20 11:37:00

Or.....one photo with the baby nearer the camera....the other one further away.?

varian Sun 23-Aug-20 11:37:48

Just to clarify-

My post 13.56 was a quotation from the Daily Mail-

"Furious farmer reveals Boris Johnson 'climbed over his fence to set up 8ft tent WITHOUT permission and lit a dangerous campfire before fleeing Highlands holiday cottage'... leaving his MINDERS to clean up"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8650799/Boriss-Great-Escape-PM-flees-tent-moves-Old-School-House-remote-peninsula.html

followed by my comment-

"Sorry about the shouty capitals but it comes from the DM"

The next comment-

"The farmer was probably an SNP plonker with an agenda"

did NOT come from me.

FarNorth Sun 23-Aug-20 11:46:31

Practicalities - the details of where the security team would sleep, or of where the playcamp & fire would be, whichever it was that the tent was for.
Practicalities - not aggravating local landowners.

Is there any evidence that SNP plonkers, or anyone else, were actually posing any threat?
Or was it just the midges that they ran away from?

FarNorth Sun 23-Aug-20 11:48:27

That quote function is a mixed blessing varian.

Elegran Sun 23-Aug-20 11:54:45

"How ridiculous for some on here to think the security team actually used it lol " then I wonder what it WAS used for?

When there was a cottage with all amenities hardly any distance away, with probably the same sea view, why would Boris and Carrie use a tent? They have been pictured hiking with Wilfrid so they are quite capable of finding somewhere sheltered for a picnic. If the field was over a fence, they would have to climb on the chairs to get over it - why not sit in the garden, in the shelter of the house wall? Or in the house?

The usual reason for someone to take a tent with them when renting a holiday cottage is because they need extra accommodation. They had security guys with them - where could they sit all day and almost certainly for a night shift (any danger to a prime minister doesn't go away at dusk) They had to be close at hand ready for an emergency. Should they have been even closer than a tent in the next field? How many bedrooms dd the cottage have?

Perhaps there were two shifts, billeted in a hotel/guesthouse/B&B some distance away, with the "on" shift sitting in the tent playing cards at a folding card table, or taking turns to kip on a lilo and looking forward to being offduty and released to the exciting social life of Applecross?

In the absence of facts, we have to fill in with what we know.

I have been to Applecross. It is beautiful, remote, and the houses are scattered.

trisher Sun 23-Aug-20 11:59:58

I was wondering what being on the PM's security team detailed in the job description. Is putting up tents for themselves, or for BJ, Carrie and Wilfred (wasn't that a comedy team?) part of it? Can they also be sent to take the dog for a walk/collect nappies for Wilfred/pick up a take away?

FarNorth Sun 23-Aug-20 12:04:16

Very likely trisher as all that would protect the PM from the public eye.

trisher Sun 23-Aug-20 12:12:54

I've just remembered it was Pip, Squeak and Wilfred a wartime cartoon strip. Only question is who is Pip and who is Squeak?

Granny23 Sun 23-Aug-20 12:21:28

The cleaner for the cottage has stated that the cottage was only booked for 3 days, so no 'running away' because of harassment, press interest, or midges.

FarNorth Sun 23-Aug-20 12:28:55

So, an opportunity seized to denigrate Scots for posing a non-existent threat.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 23-Aug-20 12:37:11

Granny23

The cleaner for the cottage has stated that the cottage was only booked for 3 days, so no 'running away' because of harassment, press interest, or midges.

That is very interesting

Ellianne Sun 23-Aug-20 12:42:41

OK so I think I have already said this 7 pages back. Any booking made for accommodation for a high profile person is complicated. The security detail go to great lengths to ask the necessary questions and to vet the place. Also when enquiries are made, the renter does not know the identity of the guests. The Scottish farmer would not have been told who was staying until after the event. That is how security works.