Get back to the office! But why?

Grandad1943

varian Quote [The Liberal Democrats policy of lifelong learning means that in the future many will have to change career but that should be viewed as a challenge and supported by learning] End Quote.

varian the above must be the biggest joke ever placed on this forum. While in a coalition government with the Tory Party from 2010 until 2015 the Liberal Democrats broke a long-standing pledge to their young supporters that should they be elected to government they would never bring in University Tuition Fees.

What happened, the Liberal Democrats sold those young supporters down the river with that pledge just to buy themselves into power in that coalition government. Therefore do you expect varian that the electorate will ever trust the Lib Dems in anything they say and pledge in regard to education especially when their new leader was a leading member of that coalition government?????????

The power it gave them was as a bargaining chip to make the Conservatives introduce Pupil Premium, which is still worth over £2 billion for children from poorer backgrounds.

Nick Clegg's argument was that money was better spent on younger children to give them better chances when starting school rather than on 18 year olds, who had already successfully negotiated their way through school.

To this day, the young pupil who go to university tend to be from families at the upper end of the income range, so tuition fees were essentially a subsidy to the middle classes, who were likely on average to go on to better paid jobs.

If you're going to do childish smears Grandad, at least get your facts straight.

Grandad1943

varian

Some people who used to make sandwiches or coffee may have to retrain. There was a time when horse drawn carriage drivers had to retrain and they did.

And do you think that retraining and finding new jobs will be at all possible with Britain having three or possibly four million unemployed at best in the coming year?

What the government is trying to achieve I believe is to return the economy back to as near normal as possible prior to lockdown and then let changes inline with Covid-19 and Brexit slowly come into being.

The General Secretary of the TUC stated general agreement with the above policy in her interviews with the media today. It would seem that this Conservative government are being far more socialist than those who claim to be such on this forum.

I don't know why you don't just sign up for the Conservatives. You're doing as much for their re-election chances as any activist could. It is absolute nonsense to claim that this government is in any way "socialist".

What this government is doing with its pleas for people to go back to their offices is protect their property owning donors.

growstuff in regard to your post @17:40 today, I am so pleased that you have such knowledgeable relations and friends in the field of workplace safety. As they will be aware employers in workplaces have now for the last six months been following legislation laid out in the Management Of Health And Safety At Work Regulations, the Guidance given to employers who have operated their workplaces throughout the lockdown due to having essential workers employed by the HSE

In the above, those employers have operated distribution centres along with food production and processing operations which have employed hundreds of persons on any one shift on a twenty-four hour seven day a week basis with those employees often constantly moving about in the course of their job roles.

However, over the course of this crisis very few of those centres have incurred employee infection in regard to Covid-19 and where that has taken place those workplaces have nearly all contained that infection to within very limited numbers of their workers and have been able to continue operations to the huge benefit of all who reside in Britain.

Therefore growstuff your relations and friends will be very well aware of the experiences and processes that have been built up by very many who have been involved in workplace Covid-19 containment and which is being now passed on and enacted within businesses that are only now gradually reopening following complete shutdown throughout the lockdown period.

There are still many challenges ahead but with those experiences and the insistence of insurance companies that all legislation must be followed, HSE guidance and experiences gained must be acted upon. Therefore there can now be a limited optimistic outlook in regard to the future safety of returning office staff.

Much larger problems have been overcome than bringing about safe working covid-19 procedures in offices when anyone views the problems that had to be overcome in many of those huge distribution centres and transport operations at the start of the Covid crisis and lockdown.

I would tell your friends and relations growstuff that there is every reason to believe that the return of their acquaintances to their workplaces offices can be achieved safely and no litigation can succeed if employers have followed the management of Health & Safety At Work Regulations and the guidance instructions of the Health &Safety Executive.

Apologies my above post was a response to the growstuff post @19:40 today and not 17:40 as I stated.

Trades unions are raising concerns over the danger of workers commuting on public transport.

www.channel4.com/news/unions-raise-concerns-over-governments-back-to-work-campaign

Why do many words to say simply that in your opinion employers are trying to comply with government guidelines.

Of course many are, but not all.

Try to be more succinct. Long posts are often glossed over or unread. And perhaps rather that take over a thread to present your point of view about H&S and the workplace you could start a thread of your own?

Furret

Why do many words to say simply that in your opinion employers are trying to comply with government guidelines.

Of course many are, but not all.

Try to be more succinct. Long posts are often glossed over or unread. And perhaps rather that take over a thread to present your point of view about H&S and the workplace you could start a thread of your own?

I will post on whatever thread I see fit to post my opinions on and in as many words as I choose to use Furret.

There are no site regulations that state that anyone has to read those posts and word, so, should any forum member not like what I post it the manner I post in, they do not have to read it.

Simple as that. ?

varian

Trades unions are raising concerns over the danger of workers commuting on public transport.

www.channel4.com/news/unions-raise-concerns-over-governments-back-to-work-campaign

varian it has been already been stated in this thread that many who have continuously physically attended their places of work throughout this crisis and lockdown have used their private cars to commute.

Those now returning after being furloughed for many months are also now using their own vehicles to commute. Commuters do not wish to use public transport due to the hazards they perceive and that is rapidly bringing about a crisis in public transport.

Congestion on Britains roads is now above pre-Covid levels and with schools fully returning which will allow many more to return to their workplaces that road congestion can only get much worse.

Services on buses and trains will have to be dramatically cut unless some way can found to encourage commuters back onto public transport??????

With reference to posters who say that working from home means less traffic, pollution etc. In fact where I live the traffic is far worse than before lockdown and as far as I’m aware a lot of people are still not back at the office. Must be all those visits to the beach and the shops!!

Gwyneth

With reference to posters who say that working from home means less traffic, pollution etc. In fact where I live the traffic is far worse than before lockdown and as far as I’m aware a lot of people are still not back at the office. Must be all those visits to the beach and the shops!!

I suspect it is people avoiding public transport.

WFH and save the environment!

growstuff, in regard to your post @21:48 yesterday, so, it is now that the Liberal Democrats "traded in" their pledge not to introduce University Tuition Fees for "other benefits" to join the 2010-2015 coalition government.

In the above can I ask if the leadership of the Lib Dems consulted and gained agreement with their young supporters many of whom then found themselves paying those fees?????

Why don't you face it growstuff that the leaders of the Liberal Democrats sold those young supporters down the river so that they could get themselves senior positions in that disastrous coalition government?

That has never been forgotten in British politics as one of the biggest sellouts of all time.

Grandad1943

Furret

Why do many words to say simply that in your opinion employers are trying to comply with government guidelines.

Of course many are, but not all.

Try to be more succinct. Long posts are often glossed over or unread. And perhaps rather that take over a thread to present your point of view about H&S and the workplace you could start a thread of your own?

I will post on whatever thread I see fit to post my opinions on and in as many words as I choose to use Furret.

There are no site regulations that state that anyone has to read those posts and word, so, should any forum member not like what I post it the manner I post in, they do not have to read it.

Simple as that. ?

Yes, you do. It reminds me of some males of my acquaintance who love the sound of their own voices, bless them. Always love the old codgers ?

Pupil premium was one of the best ideas for levelling disadvantage that we have seen in years.

Furretc Quote [It reminds me of some males of my acquaintance who love the sound of their own voices, bless them. Always love the old Dodgers] End Quote.

Well, you certainly can always tell on this forum when someone has lost an argument as they always resort to generalisations and personal comments. ??

Anyway I am off to carry out my days work and I shall travel there using my car this morning being that it is raining hard here in North Somerset. ?

"We want every workplace conducting a risk assessment and consulting with unions...and we want those risk assessments published for workers to see."

The TUC general secretary Frances O'Grady says it's 'not helpful to issue edicts to workers'.

twitter.com/i/status/1300693909006319616

I see Johnson is denying that he started a campaign back to work last week.

Why?

I suspect he has been told that there will be another Covid wave, and they haven’t got test and trace up to speed.

Just heard test and trace supremo Dido Harding on Radio 4 making pathetic excuse for asking someone in London who had a child with symptoms to go to Inverness for a covid test,

This is a woman who as a Jockey Club Board member persuaded the government to let the Cheltenham Festival go ahead at a time when covid was spreading exponentially in the UK.

Apparently she is married to a Tory MP and is a friend of David Cameron.

When she worked at Talk Talk she was responsible for a scandalous breach of data privacy laws.

Why is it that at a time when we need capable people all we get are Vote Leave fanatics and their cronies?

making pathetic excuse for asking someone in London who had a child with symptoms to go to Inverness for a covid test,


What was the excuse?

No excuse but the algorithm has now been changed so no-one need drive more than 75 miles to get a test.

75 miles with a sick child????

And if you don't drive?

Whitewavemark2

I see Johnson is denying that he started a campaign back to work last week.

Why?

I suspect he has been told that there will be another Covid wave, and they haven’t got test and trace up to speed.

I suspect he was told that hardly anybody was listening to him.

growstuff

Whitewavemark2

I see Johnson is denying that he started a campaign back to work last week.

Why?

I suspect he has been told that there will be another Covid wave, and they haven’t got test and trace up to speed.

I suspect he was told that hardly anybody was listening to him.

???

And if you don't drive?
I assume you're not allowed on the train if you've got symptoms, even with a mask?

I'd demand a home testing kit.

Ellianne

^And if you don't drive?^
I assume you're not allowed on the train if you've got symptoms, even with a mask?

I'd demand a home testing kit.

They keep running out of home testing kits. Not only that but you have to have an identity check, which is done by an American credit card company. Apparently they don't keep your data (yea, right), but I've been reading about people the company can't check and have been rejected. What a farce!

It doesn’t bode well for the winter does it?

Talk about a perfect storm.

Covid
Economic depression
Unemployment
The Brexit economic effect. Shortages etc.

We will be lucky to be still afloat come February!